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But WHY aren't you working on...

Which of these almost-certainly-doomed concepts do you most wish was in production?
A vampire RPG where you go around biting people to collect minions
27
An anime gladiator sim where you manage flashy fighters for ratings
10
A courtesan RPG where you try to climb the social ladder by dancing with and seducing people
92
Teen horror RPG exploring abandoned town looking for lost friends, everyone may die
35
Voyager / Lost In Space starship simulation adventure
20
Rebel Princess Loli Detective Agency
15

#1 by hanako - Apr 16 2017

It's been more than a year since the last Heartbreaking Poll! Time to throw around a few more ideas that I will probably never get around to working on!

I'm leaving pure-VN ideas out of the list this time (so for once, you can't vote on the steampunk asylum game, which will sadly probably never happen) so you'll have to make do with some WEIRDER concepts in this vote.

Yuki

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#2 by Yuki - Apr 16 2017

I wanted to vote twice.

Franka

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#3 by Franka - Apr 17 2017

Can I vote "anything with yuri"?

hanako

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#4 by hanako - Apr 17 2017

If I'm involved almost anything will at least have subtext, won't it? Smile

The vampire RPG would be 100% lesbian vampire. Other games would be more mixed.

FantasyFan

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#5 by FantasyFan - Apr 17 2017

Vampire RPG!!!
My game reviewing blog.

Oki

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#6 by Oki - Apr 20 2017

COURTESAN. RPG. PLEASE.
I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

rincewind

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#7 by rincewind - Apr 21 2017

I must say that the teen horror sounds interesting.

For a long time I toyed with the idea of making an horror (and yuri) game myself... still can't make any advance besides having a story in my head and some writing. (Making games is a titanic task! And you did already many. Amazing.)

What I like in those kind of games is the chance of (if you play your cards right) saving people. I hate when people is destined to die no matter what you does. That's why I hate Corpse Party.
And of course, the more yuri in the game, the better. Not because everyone is about to be murdered horribly that mean that the lilies can't bloom! Laughing

PS: My second choice was the vampire story... but everything sounds nice... can't we clone you? Why the technology is failing me? Not science babies, not flying cars, not having lots of Hanakos to make tons of games. The future surely isn't what I imagined when I was a little child. Sad
"It's good to be the president." - The President
"Oh humble dirt, if I could, I would carry you to freedom!" -The Lady and Saviour of all the dirt, mud and pebbles.
"Cake! Me!" -A VERY hungry Scullery Maid

hanako

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#8 by hanako - Apr 21 2017

I've often wanted my own army of clones, though there is the possibility that we might distract each other...

Franka

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#9 by Franka - Apr 21 2017

I don't know, seeing myself for what I really look like, I might lose my appetite for distractions.

rincewind

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#10 by rincewind - Apr 25 2017

hanako:

I've often wanted my own army of clones, though there is the possibility that we might distract each other...
You got me there. I never thought on that.

Like every other single plan, this plan is a failure!! Oh dear, I'm a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain, all my plans are destined to fail!! Shocked
"It's good to be the president." - The President
"Oh humble dirt, if I could, I would carry you to freedom!" -The Lady and Saviour of all the dirt, mud and pebbles.
"Cake! Me!" -A VERY hungry Scullery Maid

hanako

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#11 by hanako - Jun 13 2017

I'm definitely not actually working on this idea, BUT...

... so you may have seen me mentioning on twitter that the world really needs more games using the office as a default setting instead of high school as a default setting because I'm sick of high school teenagers all the time. Smile Along these lines I've been trying to think about translating some classic VN plots set in school to set-in-office to see how they'd work.

One classic plot is the "investigate something sinister", where there's really something dreadful going on under the surface and everyone is acting just slightly weirdly, and you're going in undercover to try and find the truth behind the institution. Could just as easily be a fake office junior as a fake high school student, no?

But then, gameplay. The problem with stat-raising gameplay in an office is that office stats are kind of inherently boring, even more so than school stats. While you might be excited about getting your Filing skill to max when you're deep in the game and you know that maximum Filing will get you another clue about the eldritch conspiracy, it's not really very appealing to a new player looking over the game and what it entails. "I can learn to be good at FILING?? Why would I want to do that?"

So then I started thinking about gameplay elements for an undercover investigator pretending to be an innocent new hire at a giant potentially-evil corporation. With that motivation it seems like the gameplay should really revolve around both befriending people (to get info from them) and finding excuses to poke around all the hidden corners of the corporation without getting caught. How to do this? Considered a number of ideas having to do with picking particular tasks to work on which might then lead to having to go to a supply room or visit someone in accounts, all kinds of things to get you out of your actual office and be able to poke around... but again, gameplay about choosing tasks like 'Refill Coffee Machine' or 'Get Printer Paper' does not sound very exciting or aspirational.

And then it occurs to me: EVIL office tasks! I mean, not evil in the sense of the kind of horrible creeping eldritch evil you're there to investigate, but tasks about intentionally screwing things up, petty little things you might actually imagine doing in the workplace but never really do because in a normal job you don't want to be randomly mean and risk getting fired. CHUG ALL THE COFFEE so that someone has to refill it! PRINT A BUNCH OF BLACK PAGES to use up all the ink so you have to get more! Obviously you can't do ONLY negative tasks or you will get fired and lose the game, so there has to be some balance and some sucking-up-to-coworkers, but I think there would be more instinctive fun in scheming to do little bad things, while you're ramping up the game to find out about the big bad things.


Note: If I ever run a patreon this is probably the kind of rambling game design concept post you would get out of me.

KitCat

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#12 by KitCat - Jun 13 2017

Corpse party at ... blackmark company... ... nah?

rincewind

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#13 by rincewind - Jun 15 2017

Or assassinate every single person in your workplace, setting the whole place on fire and dance over the ashes!!

Sorry, I went overboard... I was kinda projecting... and I'm starting to fear that someday I gonna go postal for real.

Now, going back to discovering evil corporations dark secrets... I think that I can imagine stats like working (for not getting fired, you know), social skills (to get juicy information from co-workers, or even allies (or even an harem of lesbians OL(I should stop nesting ())), observational skills (to notice things that are out of place or clues), hacking/thief skills (to get to the hidden juicy secrets). And the gameplay would try to balance doing work and getting info and acting based on the info (like doing a nocturnal visit to get some files or witness a secret meeting).

And KitCat, don't remind me of Corpse Party... I'm still angry... I just wanted ONE thing just a single thing... and they didn't deliver... Mad Sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
"It's good to be the president." - The President
"Oh humble dirt, if I could, I would carry you to freedom!" -The Lady and Saviour of all the dirt, mud and pebbles.
"Cake! Me!" -A VERY hungry Scullery Maid

ThePokeGirl

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#14 by ThePokeGirl - Jun 15 2017

rincewind:

Or assassinate every single person in your workplace, setting the whole place on fire and dance over the ashes!!

Sorry, I went overboard... I was kinda projecting... and I'm starting to fear that someday I gonna go postal for real.

Now, going back to discovering evil corporations dark secrets... I think that I can imagine stats like working (for not getting fired, you know), social skills (to get juicy information from co-workers, or even allies (or even an harem of lesbians OL(I should stop nesting ())), observational skills (to notice things that are out of place or clues), hacking/thief skills (to get to the hidden juicy secrets). And the gameplay would try to balance doing work and getting info and acting based on the info (like doing a nocturnal visit to get some files or witness a secret meeting).

And KitCat, don't remind me of Corpse Party... I'm still angry... I just wanted ONE thing just a single thing... and they didn't deliver... Mad Sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

If you don't mind me asking, what didn't they deliver on? Those are some of my favorite games.

KitCat

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#15 by KitCat - Jun 16 2017

rincewind:

I'm still angry... I just wanted ONE thing just a single thing... and they didn't deliver... Mad Sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
Embarassed Confused Shocked How i get know that, sorry ... Embarassed

hanako

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#16 by hanako - Jun 16 2017

ThePokeGirl:


If you don't mind me asking, what didn't they deliver on? Those are some of my favorite games.
if I had to make a guess it would be that it didn't deliver a happy yuri couple Smile

JUST A GUESS

rincewind

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#17 by rincewind - Jun 16 2017

hanako:

ThePokeGirl:


If you don't mind me asking, what didn't they deliver on? Those are some of my favorite games.
if I had to make a guess it would be that it didn't deliver a happy yuri couple Smile

JUST A GUESS
Yeah, exactly... I waited with each new game for the chance to save Seiko and let her have an happy ending. But no. Only more salt to the wound. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
"It's good to be the president." - The President
"Oh humble dirt, if I could, I would carry you to freedom!" -The Lady and Saviour of all the dirt, mud and pebbles.
"Cake! Me!" -A VERY hungry Scullery Maid

ThePokeGirl

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#18 by ThePokeGirl - Jun 17 2017

rincewind:

hanako:

ThePokeGirl:


If you don't mind me asking, what didn't they deliver on? Those are some of my favorite games.
if I had to make a guess it would be that it didn't deliver a happy yuri couple Smile

JUST A GUESS
Yeah, exactly... I waited with each new game for the chance to save Seiko and let her have an happy ending. But no. Only more salt to the wound. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

That's what I thought you were talking about (but I'm terrible with talking to people so I had to double check) and I agree that everything that had to do with Seiko made me super sad. She deserved a lot better. Unfortunately "Bury Your Gays" is a trope for a reason; its extremely common. I try not to get too upset because I don't think they do it intentionally, but it still sends a rather depressing message.

hanako

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#19 by hanako - Jul 15 2017

more in my rambling concepts of games I am NOT actually going to write:

so, I was thinking about Yuri Jane Eyre. Not Jane/Helen because that's backstory, really, but Rochester as a woman. We'd have to assume that lesbian marriage was allowed in this setting because it's necessary for the story to take place, but how does the whole Adele thing work? Rochester needs a child of dubious provenance in order to have a need to hire a governess, but a woman can't have a maybe-baby. So where does the girl come from? Well... perhaps she's the maybe-child of our Rochester's brother?

And then, suddenly, a flood of plot possibilities! Lady Rochester's older BROTHER was meant to be heir to the estate until his tragic accidental death... except of course he's not really dead, but locked in the attic while Lady Rochester runs things and hides his existence... so this becomes the big secret she's keeping from Jane, while also brooding about the possibility that she and the child might share her brother's madness...

I think it has potential but I'm definitely not going to develop it, so feel free to run with this if you need an idea for a VN or a fanfic.

Bornsecular

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#20 by Bornsecular - Jul 31 2017

We enjoy theater and go to a lot of musicals. Lately after each one my husband turns to me and says something along the lines of:
"This would make a great otome game!"

Examples:
[*]42nd street--new girl on Broadway gets the role of dreams. Also gets options to romance dance captain, director, costar, Prima Donna's ex lover, and/or sugar daddy.
[*]An American in Paris--Ballerina gets starring role in new commission. Pursued by childhood friend, composer, and new guy in town.

Too bad we're both too lazy to make these games or risk copyright infringement. Laughing

Troyen

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#21 by Troyen - Sep 9 2017

hanako:

But then, gameplay. The problem with stat-raising gameplay in an office is that office stats are kind of inherently boring, even more so than school stats. While you might be excited about getting your Filing skill to max when you're deep in the game and you know that maximum Filing will get you another clue about the eldritch conspiracy, it's not really very appealing to a new player looking over the game and what it entails. "I can learn to be good at FILING?? Why would I want to do that?"
Would it have to be a stat game though?

I mean, imagine you're the IT admin at a company, on the job for a few months/years. While troubleshooting some email connectivity issue for one of the VPs, you notice they sent an email with a highly suspicious and concerning subject line (most email tracking systems record sender address, recipient address, and subject line metadata). Digging deeper, you can uncover other correspondence with this individual that might be innocuous when each message is taken alone, but combined together they could also imply something more sinister.

Now as an admin you have tools to investigate, tools you are normally trusted not to abuse as a condition of your employment (under threat of some massive penalties and criminal punishment). But you could use them to spy on people's traffic, browser history, chat contacts, watch the building cameras, even log into other people's computers remotely. You just have to be careful about it, because it's really obvious to a target if someone suddenly takes control of their computer while they're using it. Oh, and everything you do is also in the admin logs, and who knows if your co-admin is in on it? So you have to find ways to alter those as well, or cover up and obfuscate your tracks.

Or perhaps that's a little too close to reality...

hanako

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#22 by hanako - Dec 31 2017

stupid story seed idea: michiru as batman

No one suspects the tragically elegant and sophisticated heiress, former violin child prodigy, now best known for her parties and her paintings, to have a double life as a costumed crime-fighter.

Her sidekick, of course, is her most trusted assistant and only 'employee' of her estate, her charming blonde chauffeur...

(But while these amuse me as character concepts there is no game idea attached there)


For somewhat more serious but still highly unlikely ideas, someone posted a GREAT seed idea for a yuri Phantom of the Opera analogue, focused on ballet rather than singing...

Bloody Vikings

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#23 by Bloody Vikings - Jan 4 2018

*starts having flashbacks to watching Suspiria*
So, I suppose, NEW BOOBS are a strong draw, but over time, better story wins out. -Hanako

KitCat

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#24 by KitCat - Jan 5 2018

Bloody Vikings:

*starts having flashbacks to watching Suspiria*
What?
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