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Favorite/True ending

#1 by lill_sweetty - Dec 31 2007

I saw someone asking Hanako about what is the "true ending" for the story. Of course, Hanako said it depends on your perspective. Therefore, I would like to ask:

Which is your favorite ending? Or which do you think is the "true" ending?

Feel free to vote in the poll, but I'd like to hear why you think so too. By the way, I didn't add the really gloomy, unwrapped up endings like "Drowning," "Childhood", and "Runaways" because it doesn't really wrap up the story. Plus, the poll system won't let me... I added the other "tragic" endings, though, because at least they wrap up the story. And who knows, maybe some of you like tragic endings like Romeo and Juliet.

I have an idea that a lot of people are going to lean towards a certain ending, but let's see....

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So here goes. My personal favorite, "true" ending would be "New Order."

Reasons are simple. I've played the game all through 14 endings, and I have to say that one takes the cake for me.

1. It shows Christina as a very likable and strong heroine. She fought her destiny in a way, because she refuses to become Bastian's bride (or at least to stop the ceremony.) She stays true to herself by the fact that she doesn't let the man get killed.

2. The bloodshed ends. Obviously, a lot of things will also have to be worked out, but the main idea is that Bastian and her are now equals, and they're going to work in out with the wolfrieman.

3. I also like it because it shows Christina is Christina, though she might have Kirsten's memories and is one of "Kirsten reborn" (Is it just me or is the Christina in the Hopeful Future ending doesn't seem to realize that she doesn't have the dreams because of the Sight but because she is -one- of the Kirsten reborn?) For some odd reason, I found Kirsten to be very weak. Always afraid Sebastian will leave. She's suspicious of Sebastian. She, having Sebastian's heart but also being part of the commoners, could've stopped the fight at the end from ever happening. But she doesn't do that. Christina does, which shows Christina is NOT Kirsten, but herself. And the Christina that stops the bloodshed-yeah, she's pretty awesome.

4. Christina seem to really like Bastian, because of his never-ending love, and understand he's a kind person. NOT just because she's Kirsten reborn. For Bastian's part, I think that she has Kirsten's memory, but like he said, he's changed, and as much as he wants Christina to be Kirsten, Christina isn't, as she's a lot stronger. And for me, I think what he needs is a stronger person (aka. Christina) to help him through the 21st century. NOT the weak person Kirsten was. For Bastian's part, I think he also realizes that, as he now treats Christina as an equal. The lies stop.

4. I don't like Randy or Katie. Well...I do think Randy's pretty cute, especially when he started talking about him being "Shaggy" and the gang "the Scooby-doo gang." lol. But I think there wasn't THAT much chemistry between them? Or is it just me? Maybe I think that Randy can't really love like Bastian if Christina got with Randy. I mean, Bastian's love for Kirsten withstood time and space. (Sure, it ends pretty sadly, since neither Christina and Katie is REALLY Kirsten, but at least it shows if he loves another person, his love will always be like that.) Can Randy's? As for Katie...I don't like her. I find her as weak as Kirsten (I really like strong females, don't I?) I mean, she was sick, yeah, and her future is grim, but she could've not succumbed to it as much. And the way she opened up that locket to show the blank images, saying she was always wanting the perfect romance makes me sick. It's like Rapunzel or Cinderella always standing there waiting for their Prince Charming. I know she's sick...but still, it feels as if she's using the sickness as an excuse. Like she believes if she gains romance, everything else will take care of itself.

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That's my rant. Please tell me your thoughts, as I'm really curious as to why others find Katie and Bastian and Randy with Christina a really good couple!

#2 by phoenixgirl - Jan 1 2008

Oohh cool topic.

Let's see. I voted for Hopeful Future, although I really wanted an ending with Christina and Jeremy without, well, you know what happening. (I'd say more but I don't want to spoil it for those who haven't gotten that ending yet.)

Anyway, I can see the argument on why Bastian and Katie may not necessarily have been the best pairing. However, I must admit that I didn't like the Foretold ending (I believe that's where Bastian and Christina end up together). The events that happened to get that ending made me think that Christina just let herself become a vampire. I mean, if it were me, I would have stood up to Bastian and told him that I'm not Kirsten and I can never be her 100%. If he wants to know me, though, don't make me into a vampire but rather just get to know me, etc. lol (Ok, yeah, that sounds a bit silly but oh well.)

Now as to why I liked the Christina and Randy pairing the best, I suppose I just liked the ending. Christina took charge and made her own decisions and such. She didn't let herself be controlled by others. Although Christina does make the jealous comment about love at the end, well, she is still a teenager and those thoughts can change.

And as for Christina and Tim being together, it seemed a bit weird to me.

#3 by Testsquid One - Jan 1 2008

phoenixgirl:

Oohh cool topic. :)

Let's see. I voted for Hopeful Future, although I really wanted an ending with Christina and Jeremy without, well, you know what happening. (I'd say more but I don't want to spoil it for those who haven't gotten that ending yet.)

Well, while it's vaguely possible that a certain other person would let it happen in a nicer way (but I somewhat doubt that), it's pretty clear that Jeremy would expect interference unless he did something about it first... not to mention that he wants very much to share power with his lover, not just settle down to a mundane life...

Anyway, I can see the argument on why Bastian and Katie may not necessarily have been the best pairing. However, I must admit that I didn't like the Foretold ending (I believe that's where Bastian and Christina end up together). The events that happened to get that ending made me think that Christina just let herself become a vampire. I mean, if it were me, I would have stood up to Bastian and told him that I'm not Kirsten and I can never be her 100%. If he wants to know me, though, don't make me into a vampire but rather just get to know me, etc. lol (Ok, yeah, that sounds a bit silly but oh well.)

Well, there are often times when we get dragged along by events and then realize a few days later that the decisionset might not have been the brightest...

And as for Christina and Tim being together, it seemed a bit weird to me. :P

Why?

#4 by lill_sweetty - Jan 1 2008

I mean, if it were me, I would have stood up to Bastian and told him that I'm not Kirsten and I can never be her 100%. If he wants to know me, though, don't make me into a vampire but rather just get to know me, etc. lol (Ok, yeah, that sounds a bit silly but oh well.)

lol. I think exactly like you. It's actually a lil strange that I agree with all your points. I think that she took charge in Hopeful Future, but I also think she did in New Order. And in THAT one, she didn't become a vampire, but agreed to help Bastian and promoted peace between the groups. The only thing I didn't like about it is that she didn't tell Bastian she wasn't Kirsten-reborned. But I felt Christina's character in that one was strong like in Hopeful Future. ^^ I actually like both, just a bit more partial to Christina x Bastian, so.... But do remember there were two Christina and Bastian endings! One called Foretold, where she became his bride without a fight, and New Order, where she promotes peace between the two groups without the ceremony. Just for the record, I liked New Order a lot more. For the life of me, I wouldn't pick Foretold, as it's a never ending darkness, even with your love. I'd rather have Drowning. Though the pic for that one was truly gorgeous...In fact, I like most of the Bastian x Christina pictures. That's another reason why I'm partial to the pairing.

I actually really liked Jeremy. In the beginning. Then...well, all the things that he does. It's actually scary how bloody and unfeeling he is. I get the feeling all he wants is her power...I mean, the description at the end when they get together about the bloody strings of death...*shivers* I get the feeling Jeremy provoked Christina to do that. But really, Jeremy's too MUCH of a gentleman. I was fond of him, but not anymore.

Well, there are often times when we get dragged along by events and then realize a few days later that the decisionset might not have been the brightest..

There are often times when we get pulled along by events, and I've done really stupid things before, but I feel that the natural reaction even then, and the conscious reaction, could've been some sort of resistance. It's one thing to do something wrong, or something stupid, because one doesn't think, but another to just let go and get pulled down by the streams. Only a weak person would react weakly, whether they're doing it naturally or consciously. In Foretold, I got the idea Christina was just waiting for something to happen to her. She let herself become a vampire. So I agree with Phoenix girl. I didn't like Christina in Foretold.

#5 by emichan - Jan 1 2008

lucy is the true ending because she's the one that really cares, everybody else is only nice to you as long as you're on their side but they'll kill you if you get in the way. lucy will never hurt you and will try to help you even if you don't love her.

#6 by infinity777 - Jan 1 2008

I chose the Hopeful Future ending because Christina is a stronger character in this ending. In this ending Christina makes her own decisions, and she does not let the cult or the wolfmen make her decisions for her, and she never lets her position as Kristen reborn control her. Also, in this ending I believe there was a stronger resolution (and I will debate this after I play the game again). In this ending, Katie finds happiness, whereas in the other endings she (presumably) dies in the hospital. Also, there is no bloodshed in this ending. There's also no bloodshed in the New Order ending, which leads me to...

I also like the New Order ending, but I believe that this one was stronger, because Christina makes more of her own decisions. Although I don't really like the Randy/Christina pairing... I believe that Lucy cares the most about Christina.

#7 by Yume - Jan 2 2008

I don't really love love any particular ending, lol. But I'll choose based on what I believe is most believable and endearing.

I chose New Order because it seemed really complete. And to me it was more hopeful than Hopeful Future. Lol. Bastian with Katie is just weird to me. Katie's reasoning was...odd. ^^" Though I do like Randy and Christina together, either way works for me~ And as mentioned, Christina takes charge which is great. She should take an active role.

The other endings...such as Christina becoming a vampire - I didn't like it. XD" Like nooo, one side of the story only.

Then the later ones where Christina attacked Bastian with the gang (and possibly got herself killed) felt incomplete to me too. I suppose the main point is that you only hear one side of the story. ^^"

And there's the ones where she ends up with Lucy. Hm, the couple is alright for me. However, they were running away from it all. I would love Christina to face up to it. XD" The times where Lucy becomes really weak bugged me a bit, but on the flipside Christina becomes stronger. Complementation?

#8 by lill_sweetty - Jan 2 2008

Lol. I guess there's no such thing as a "perfect" ending?

Lucy annoyed me in some of the endings, to tell you the truth. I mean, I know it's a shock, but she got rather weepy and whiny. And the endings in which Lucy and Christina were together (runaways and fresh start) weren't that great. They practically ran away and we never gets to know how the story ends. But I think all of the endings are rather one-sided, as in New Order, you see more of the cult then the wolfriemen. In Hopeful Future, you see more of the wolfriemen in the cult. Guess that makes the game more re-playable?

#9 by mistyrosemon86 - Jan 4 2008

I like the tim and jeremie endings.there my my fave guys in the game. who doesn't like a guy nice to to offer to build ya your own arcade(k u get him in that ending but) . and a wolf a boy leader for a boyfriend.

#10 by phoenixgirl - Jan 5 2008

Let's see if I can address some additional points.

Now on why I liked Jeremy (initially, that is), it is because he's the gentleman-type. I tend to fall for those. lol But anyway, I do agree that later on, he becomes power-hungry and all that. I do wish there could have been a way for Christina to convince Jeremy not to want power and instead fight for love (now the romantic in me).

I do agree that Christina is a strong character in New Order, too. I suppose I like Hopeful Future a bit more because it looks like there's a greater possibility that Christina can have a normal life afterwards (with Randy)-as if there are any normal endings in FH. lol I don't really see that with New Order. Like I wonder-Does Christina live with Bastian afterwards? Does she never get to go home with her mom? If she does get to go home, can Bastian still be a part of her life? If so, how can she explain to her mom? (Ok, I'm asking too many questions here. lol)

Finally, regarding on the Tim pairing, I don't know. Just seems a bit odd to me. Now I know that some girls fall for the bad boy type (that's how Tim seemed to me). However, Christina doesn't seem like the type who would (or would she?).

#11 by mistyrosemon86 - Jan 6 2008

Finally, regarding on the Tim pairing, I don't know. Just seems a bit odd to me. Now I know that some girls fall for the bad boy type (that's how Tim seemed to me). However, Christina doesn't seem like the type who would (or would she?).[/quote]

I don't think of Tim as a bad boy type. I would say he has has angst seeing as what happened to his dad. [/quote]

#12 by CaptainGame - Jan 9 2008

You know.... I kinda wish that there was an ending where Lucy and Christina stood up to the opposing forces together.... as it's been said, all the Lucy endings are sort of weak, and end indecisively.

#13 by emichan - Jan 9 2008

i guess the problem is that christina is the main character but lucy's the one who knows what's going on so if she comes up with a plan to fight her parents and stop the cult it would really be her in control and not Christina so it wouldnt work in the game...

... so you should write a fanfic of lucy renting a bulldozer and knocking down the mansion

#14 by CaptainGame - Jan 9 2008

You know, a Fatal Hearts RP would kick ass.

#15 by FantasyFan - Jan 13 2008

Well, I guess I like bloodshed more than most others, because I'm kinda partial to the first ending I got, the "Bloodshed" or "Blood Reject" ending (Ending Number 2, where Christina follows Jeremy's path until the very end, where she stops everything by killing the entire clan and herself). I liked that ending because it's dark and creepy, but it doesn't make Christina the victim. Yes she dies, but she's very much in control. It also makes Christina into a very strong character. She's suffered betrayal by someone she thought she loved, but she rises above it and does what needs to be done. She won't let anymore innocents die.

At the risk of being beaten to a pulp, I also love the "Fresh Start" ending where Christina and Lucy are together as a lesbian ( ) couple. Yes, it's a bit incomplete, but that's part of the beauty of it. Sometimes our own life stories are incomplete and all we want to do is get away from them. I totally disagree with the notion that Lucy is weak. She's funny, enthusiastic, and adventrous. The fact that she wants to run away and starts crying later on doesn't change this - it makes her more real. Don't forget that she's a fifteen-year-old who's learned that her parents are murderers serving a vampire. That's something really tough on her.

Personally, I REALLY don't like the ending where Bastian ends up with Katie. I know, the strategy guide says he'd be happy with either of them, but it doesn't feel right to me. All we have to connect Katie with Kirsten is that she looks like her. Christina's the one with Kirsten's memories. Besides, I don't buy that both Katie and Randy are suddenly ready to accept that she's going to become a vampire.

#16 by PrettySammy - Jan 16 2008

I think the "Hopeful Future" ending wraps it up nicely, and it's a happy ending, which is a definite plus for me. I appreciate the all-around happy endings the most.

#17 by mablesyrup - Feb 16 2008

I felt that New Order was the "TRUE" ending because it just seemed to make the most sense, like the denoument in a movie where everything's complete...but my FAVOURITE ending has got to be Hopeful Future because even though it wasn't complete in the sense of New Order, it really touched my heart that Katie had hope and it was beautiful, because although Christina was probably the more suitable bride she stood aside and let Katie have another chance at life and be happy and with someone always who loved her and protected her so she'll never be alone again....


....also the Childhood ending I thought wasn't really that tragic, it was a different take of perspective with the story for sure, but it was "realistic' in the sense that even though the story remains a mystery it was an ending that didn't have bloodshed and the police did everything and Christina and Elizabeth was fine.

#18 by CooKie - Feb 18 2008

For me it was a choice between New Order and Hopeful future mainly, but i chose Hopeful Future because, well there is a hopeful future. Katie lives, Christina has a boyfriend(Randy) and the bloodshed stops. I think Christina never realised she was one of the Kirsten Reborn in this ending and my prime example is the dream where she pieces the links together about Bastian/Sebastian she never compared herself to Kirsten, but she did with Katie because of her looks. Maybe Katie did remember some memories about Bastian, because um... she went eagerly to Bastian.
I also liked the Fresh Start ending. I think it does stand out from other endings you see in games because of the coupling of Lucy & Christina, and i have rarely seen that so that was a good choice to me. But i do agree it is a bit weak with the fact that you have no idea what happens to the Wolfriemen or the Cult, but it makes you wonder when it says Bastian is the one who made this happen (which is true since he let them leave) and Christina wonders if he would go after her or just watch waiting for her.

#19 by Mystique2821 - Feb 18 2008

Well here is my take and get ready for the ride. Forgive me for not remembering each ending name but here goes. Bastian I get the whole man of your dreams concept, works for me...(vampire) I'm still ok with that the fact that Katie looks so much like Kristian now I am distrubed. I really wanted Christina and Bastian together that why I like Foretold, and I think it's New Order.

As I started go thru the other endings there are just undenible (yes I know hooked on phonics moment) attractions that make me wonder for example, the animalistic attraction towards Tim and Randy (I perfer Randy and still question why did Christina kiss everyone but him (the lick doesn't count) and their ending was akward or is it just me?)

Loved Jeremy so much so that when she kills Bastian and stays with Jeremy I would have love it except for the whole he's pycho and power hungry and the second they would have a lover's quarral he probably off her. But I really appreciate the fact that he introduced her to magic, he was romantic and ever so charming ****sigh**** sorry I was having a flashback. I think I am just those types who goes for the bad boy. Bad not certifible.

The whole Christina and Lucy yup one question...why....why do they run away. Ok cool you're in love dandy...happy for ya..Strong females unite ..not get on the next greyhound. I don't know could have worked out different, they both knew magic at the end of it all. Take Bastian's power (or just enough to dominant him because you never know you could fall in love with him later) control the world...just a thought peace among all???

Drowning ending so much left unresolved.

One thing the art work was beautiful and the concept was excellent!!!!

The alternate endings kept me begging for more....speaking of which any chance of a sequel???????

Think of all the possiblities..

Loved the game.....thanks to everyone that helped.

#20 by hanako - Feb 20 2008

speaking of which any chance of a sequel???????

A direct sequel, no. Any sort of 'what happens next' with this batch of characters is best handled in fanfic. (Feel free to write stories or throw out ideas for what the characters could get up to!)

I can't do a sequel because, well, which ending would it carry on from?

Whether or not there will be another game LIKE this game (that is, a game with a lot of story, multiple endings, and some puzzles) - I don't know. I don't have one planned at the moment. (You can see what games are currently being designed in the Hanako Secrets forum.) It takes a really long time and a lot of art to make a game like this, and while it sells some copies, it's not a big hit. (You can see all the outraged reviews on Reflexive complaining about too much reading (I use too many parentheses!))

The best way to get a sequel to any game made by any indie developer, honestly, is to help promote it and get people to buy copies. Since we have to make a living off the sales, if something sells lots we want to do more of it.

#21 by FantasyFan - Feb 20 2008

Man, talk about nasty. Most of them only reviewed the demo version. Sure, there's lots of reading, but so what? It's an INTERACTIVE STORY - and I got swept into the story from the beginning.

#22 by hanako - Feb 20 2008

They weren't expecting a story, they were expecting another hidden-objects game. It's not a game for everyone, but as long as some people really like it, I'm happy.

#23 by FantasyFan - Feb 20 2008

Hidden object games are a dime a dozen (there are WAY too many of them). Fatal Hearts is unique.

#24 by lill_sweetty - Feb 24 2008

Some of those reviews REALLY REALLY irked me.

"way too much reading to do, there never should be that much reading to do, ever."

*Hmph!* Sounds like a book-hater to me...

Some also said only Aveyond lovers will like this game. The only reason why I think that might be is because:

A) Both of you like having actual stories. Whereas people nowadays seem to only one repetitive hidden objects and time management games without any plot (no offense to the creative ones --ex: Diner Dash's creators, Madame Fate and many many others who put their creative spin on it with an actual charming story.)
B) You're creative in your games. You're testing new ideas and new grounds, not going for those "safe" grounds.
C) The people that like your games actually understand you're indie developers. You're not Square Enix. You don't have millions at your disposal for flashy animation, or the best system controls in the world.

Furthermore, I don't know what they're complaining about. You have to know what you're getting yourself into. I came in wanting a deep story, nice art&music, and reading, and that's what I got--and more. If you go in expecting a normal game, you'd hate it. A 1st person shooter lover wouldn't want to play Nintendogs, now would they?

Plus, it seems a lot of these people just gave up. Fatal Heart's greatest asset is it's storyline, so people who never got to the good part *cough* Bastian *cough* never really got the best part of the game. Confession: I skipped most of the puzzles to get on with the story.

I don't care what anyone says. Keep going where you're going, Georgina.

A review I thought was actually really quite fair is

Gamezebo's Review

And I'm not just giving a link because they gave Fatal Hearts a high score, and that Georgina also did an interview with them. Really!

#25 by phoenixgirl - Feb 25 2008

Totally agree with you on the reviews. I like games like Fatal Hearts and the Aveyond series because they are totally different from the usual run-of-the-mill games nowadays. Granted, I still buy games like the Diner Dash series but it's good to have a refreshing change every once in a while.

#27 by lill_sweetty - Apr 29 2008

Am I the only one that dislikes Katie?

I really disliked the Hopeful Future one. I mean, come on, Katie? Is a man the only thing that can give her hope? And her entire idea of "destined lovers" and always wanting someone there for her forever makes me really dislike her. I liked New Order, but not because I though Christina was destined for Bastian, but rather because she took charge and made peace. Otherwise I would've picked the other ending where they both became vampires. What can Katie do to reconcile the cult and the wolfriemen? She expects other to bring stuff to her, not to work for it. One assumes that Christina gets with Randy, but what if she doesn't?

And I think that it was mentioned that Katie never had any dreams or anything. I think Katie had Kirsten's looks but Christina had her memories. How they came by this was never explained. Some more magic, I guess...

I don't know.....I just really dislike Katie. I think I'd like Randy a lot more if Katie wasn't his sister. I mean, her "fantasies" and "threats" and stuff about destiny is just a fake reality she builds for herself. Even before she got sick. She just lost hope even more afterwards. She should've picked up herself and struggled, so that I'd at least think she'd be worthy of Bastian. And I really believe Bastian would be happy but unfulfilled, never learning much, without Katie. That was also the problem with Kristen, wasn't it? He never was able to share his life with her, only his love. That's why she ended up so tragically. Christina would be able to do this. She'd be able to work side-by-side with him.

#28 by phoenixgirl - Apr 29 2008

On the Katie issue, I'm pretty neutral on it. To me, Katie represents the "damsel-in-distress" character and I can understand some being turned off by that. For those who like fairy tales and the happily ever after ending, the Hopeful Future ending would seem good. But then, there are those (especially in this day and age) who are more about women being strong and standing up for themselves. I'm personally more like that kind of woman but I don't have any resentment for those who are more like the damsels.

And I guess to be fair, we don't entirely know Katie's past before she became sick. True-she did seem to have fairy tale dreams of finding her prince and such but we don't really know more than that. Perhaps there's more to her than what we see.

#29 by emichan - Apr 29 2008

Randy says Katie was a lot like Christina, didn't he? but being sick and dying made her different.

#30 by lill_sweetty - May 1 2008

Yeah, I hate damsel-in-distress. They can all die for all I care. Well...actually, no. That's a little harsh. But I really don't want to bestow happiness on people who are like that....That's the main reason I didn't like the ending.

I actually thought Randy saying Katie was like Christina was either his brother mentality or failure to understand his sister. I always thought of Christina as being very quiet and reserved, but with a very strong will underneath, if you take into account all her actions on the most of the routes. Katie, on the other hand, is loud and bubbly, but I think that she is very weak underneath, which is why when she got sick, she couldn't keep her head up and hope and try to understand how her parents felt. Instead, she cracked. He saw the real Christina, but the fake Katie, perhaps? I'll say this again. Katie reminds me of Kirsten, and Kirsten ended badly. So will Katie. I have a feeling a part of Bastian will always be closed to Katie if they end up together.

I know this is really stupid, but I've heard someone say not to judge someone on how they act when things are comfortable, but how they act under opposition. (or something like that, I believe Martin Luther King said that). I think sickness counts as opposition. She gave in so easily to Bastian, like she was waiting for him! Her dreams just make me feel like she doesn't like reality. There's nothing wrong with dreams. I dream like that too. But if told to make those dreams real, to be taken care of and such...I wouldn't be able to stand it.

>.> I have strong opinions about it....Which is how my fanfic came into writing. If you've read it, you'll see just how far my hatred for Katie extends....

I still think New Order is the best. To each his own. Now...~__~ I'm gone. This isn't suppose to be a debate. XD

#31 by Coolgamer - May 19 2008

I chose Hopeful Future. I feel it brings the best to the most characters. No more bloodshed, and a new chance at life. I really did like Katie. I think she's a lot smarter then she likes to let on.

Jeremy reminds me of myself. The tech-loving man would wants to make the world a better place. I don't go to his extremes, but I do agree that a lot of people practically don't exist for all purposes. With all the evil humanity causes, it's hard not to become disillusioned to it.

Lucy... could have used much better endings. A way to stay with her without running away from the rest of your problems.

Blood Rejection also struck me really hard. It's one of my favorite endings because to be willing to end your own life to save others takes a lot of courage. Moody, dark, and excellent.

I'd love to know more about the other characters. Namely the blonde-haired girl with spikes in the Wolfriemen. Too bad she already has a partner.

#32 by Biawog - May 22 2008

I voted for Hopeful Future,but I haven't got the New Order one yet.

Hopeful Future pratically says everyone has some kind of happy ending,Christina has her own life again,Randy and the wolfriemen have the "case" solved,Katie and Bastian supposelly live happy too.Lucy also get to still be Christina's friend,wich was what she wanted if Christina rejected her love.I thought it was a eally happy ending,and I really like those :)!

The first ending I got was "Foretold",and it was kind of MY "true ending",cause I got it without looking in the guide,and choose based on what would I do if I was in that situation!So...yeah,I guess if I was in Christina's place,I would get turned into a vampire xP!

#33 by Lendezu - May 25 2008

Finally I unlocked all the endings!!!!
The first ending I got was "Pyre", I got to it without looking in the guide.
It was kinda scary because Chiristina still has nightmare, but a least she didin't become a vampire. I really didn't like the "Foretold" ending. Christina can't be forced to be with Bastian, even if she is Kirsten's reborn.
Bastian seemed to me a very selfish man. Despite his love to Kirsten, he can't force Christina staying with him (even she don't have to, he wouldn't tell her it).

I have two favorite endings: "Judas Kiss" and "Hopeful Future".
"Judas Kiss"- because Bastian is killed and all the cult is arrested. Lucy moves in with Christina. It was very brave for Christina to say that she loves Bastian in order to kill him. The only disappoinment in this ending is that Christina doesn't end up with Tim (or Randy).
But the ending I chose was "Hopeful Future", because everything ends so good, there is hope for peace. Christina ends up with Randy (Randy is so cute and they are so sweet together). I am also happy that Katie is the one who is ends up with Bastian (I would never like an ending like "Foretold" for myself,unless it could save me).

The best ending in Jeremy's path is "Blood Rejection", Because Christina shows everyone and especially Jeremy that no one can control over her. She does only what she thinks to be right. It was the rght choise to kill Bastian, the cult and herself in order to save everybody else.

#34 by CrazyInsaneAnimeFanGirl - Jul 9 2008

Personally, I don't have a specific favorite. I like all of the "Happy Endings", so to speak. This means two things:
1. I am actually a romantic at heart.
2. I am actually very easy to please.

I do like Jeremy because he is a gentleman. I'll admit, I do wish there were an ending where Christina convinces him not to be so power hungry and just have a normal relationship with her, but maybe that'd be too cheesy and unrealistic because even though he's a gentleman, Jeremy really isn't much of a romantic when it comes to an actual relationship (but that's just my opinion) and his ambitiousness is an important part of his character, so it'd be pretty difficult to get rid of it in the time span of the game.

Randy. I'll admit, that in the "Hopeful Future" ending, I myself have doubts that he can carry on a relationship with Christina that will have a real future (marriage, kids, the works), but at the same time I think he can. He just has to grow up a little more and get over his older sister complex.

Tim and Christina actually remind of one of those married couples you see in anime. No, not the mushy couples, but the ones that argue all the time over the silliest things. But they really love each other and their arguements are played for laughs rather than an impending divorce. =D

Lucy. Poor Lucy. She's tried to go through her life as a normal teenage girl/lesbian. She and her best friend/crush are friends again and they're having a fun summer together. Then her parents try to marry her off to some old guy. Then she finds out that said old guy is a vampire and her own parents are members of a cult that is responsible for the serial murders. Her only escape from this nuttiness is her best friend/crush. But Christina's own curiousity results in her being kidnapped to be the bride of aforementioned old guy/vampire. That would mess most people up. Plus, she's a 15 year old girl who knows everything and nothing at the same time. I doubt most scared 15 year old girls would be able to think of anything besides running away or getting adult help.

Bastian. I love how depending on which path you choose, it can change your perception of him so dramatically. It makes the Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni fangirl in me squee so much. Even though I like the "Judas Kiss" ending because it's technically the Tim ending, it makes me sad at the same time.
1. Because I really feel sorry for Eric.
and 2. Because even though this is a "Wolfriemen kills Bastian" ending, and therefore a "Bastian=Evil" ending, at the very end you see his human side. I think that if I got this as my first ending without using the guide, I would probably think: "Wait. This wasn't in the manual the Wolfriemen gave me! D=" or something like that. Plus, the "Hopeful Future" and "New Order" endings give us wonderful crack!fic potential (i.e. Bastian just walking down the street just chilling with Christina, Katie, and the Wolfriemen (who are being forced to help him assimilate to the new world as part of the "Peace Treaty") when suddenly he sees something and goes "D=<", ready to defend his beloved and Christina's all "DAMMIT, BASTIAN THAT'S A STREET LIGHT/SIGN/(INSERT RANDOM THING YOU'D FIND IN TOWN HERE)!").

Now, I'm going to defend Kirsten and Katie. First of all, people have called her weak because of her fear of Sebastian leaving and being suspicious of him, but remember, the man's going AROUND THE WORLD. IN A NICE BOAT. Remember the Mayflower? I suspect she may be scared of him dying. As for her being suspicous of him, it's not healthy or very smart to have blind faith in someone. Plus, it turns out that she WAS right to be suspicious. As for knowing about the werewolves' demands, maybe she could have stopped the slaughter. But then we'd have no story. Plus, it looks like she was at least willing to listen until she found out the guy was a werewolf. Remember, back in the day, the general consensus was that "Vampires/Witches/Werewolves/Anything supernatural=BAD". So it probably wouldn't be a stretch to assume that she assumed that the guy was lying. Looking back, I think Kirsten was stronger than people might think. Think about it. She's a woman back in the... 1800s? Women were supposed to be reliant on the men and always do what the man says without question and all that jazz? But she questions him. She tells him her complaints. She does a little snooping of her own.

As for Katie, think about her exact situation. She spends most of her life healthy and she suddenly falls ill in the period of her life when she's deciding what she wants to DO with her life, no one knows what's wrong with her, and it looks like she'll be dead soon. You say she should try to understand where her family's coming from, but it's easier to be optimistic when you're not the one who's sick. I think it's very sweet when she opens her locket. Remember, this is the girl who told her younger brother that Communist spies would kidnap him and later threatened to sell said younger brother's potential love interest to the circus. And she wants a fairy tale romance. I don't know about you, but I LOVE it when that type of girl reveals her secret, girlish wish. Let's face it, every girl has dreamed of meeting her own Prince Charming at some point in her life. Also, give the girl some credit. She KNOWS what she wants in a man. ;)

The minor characters. Kudos to Darlene and Burt for being the official canon couple throughout the game (you know, other than Lucy's parents). Kudos to Marta for playing the Cool Big Sister straight (to Elizabeth) and subverting it at the same time (to Christina). Eric... I really wish you were a potential love interest. You know, assuming you're still young and don't have a wife and/or children back in Germany. Kudos to Elizabeth for being a token loli that is also a nerd and the only character besides Jeremy that wears glasses (Lucy's parents don't count). Kudos to Christina's mom for being an understanding parent regarding your daughter's love life. Kudos to Lucy's parents for... helping the plot move forward?

Finally, Christina. I'll admit, I'm a sucker for main characters. I'm very happy that she's not one of those PCs where you control every aspect of her personality. I like only making choices about what she says and what action she takes, but otherwise everything else is Christina's own thoughts and feelings. Being a very independent person myself, I love endings where she stands up for what she knows is right and doesn't let others manipulate her. And kudos to Fatal Hearts itself for having an actual plot where getting a boy/girlfriend is only part of the fun! =D

#35 by lill_sweetty - Jul 13 2008

I never said Kirsten was weak. She showed certain weakness for being prejudiced against werewolves, but she IS remarkable for an 1800's girl. Bastian, Tim and Randy showed the same kind of prejudice in the 21st century (Bastian aside as he was asleep for most of that time). But I believe that Kirsten decided not to tell anything about the werewolf's plea not only because of her prejudice and she decided it wasn't worth talking to Bastian and make it seem she didn't like his plans, but also because of her suspicion of Bastian. And she's right to be suspicious. Bastian's a lord, she's a maid, she had no idea what happened when he left but something changed. The whole town's doomed and Bastian changed. He's cold and ambitious and listened to nobody and showed no pity and couldn't put himself into someone's shoes and believed he was right, almost like Jeremy who thinks he's righting the world. I think Bastian learned to listen and let go, though, case-in-point when he told Christina everything and then said she could go if she wanted to. He no longer FORCED. Pity Jeremy never did...Or perhaps it was Bastian's experience with the foreign vampire coupled with his "I believe in my status as a lord" pride already there that did it, whereas Jeremy's...just Jeremy. I think Bastian's sweet, and...I have to say, I'm bias towards the artist that worked on Bastian's CGs (like BastinaxChristina's kissing scene, where he looked amazing).

Did you think Jeremy was a gentleman? I thought he was a lunatic acting the role of a gentleman. He singlehandedly almost offered Christina on a plate to Bastian, then went around and said, "Oh! Let's betray Bastian who would've given me all I wanted so that I could get more power and be together!" He was never attractive to me, which is why I despise his endings.

I stand by my point that Katie was weak. If Kirsten was strong, Katie was weak. What does she know of Bastian? She knows what she wants in a man? Complete and utter love that would never leave her? That's it? What about Bastian's actual personality? She never questioned the fact that she was destined to be with him! She just believed in this miracle romance that would solve all her problems. I doubt it did (which is where my fanfic comes from). I think Bastian and Katie COULD NOT have been together, because Kirsten's personality seem such a farcry from Katie. She was a strong, independent woman, if quiet and more understated than the loud type of "Hoorah! I am independent and I want everyone to know that!" I get that same vibe from Christina, which is why I think BxC fit a lot more. Katie...she seemed to me to be weak from the very beginning, from her childish threats, like...like a fantasy she was living, and how she forced everyone to go her way with it, and I think they did because she was so childish if rather cute with that weakness. It's almost pitiful. I think it only took her illness to have that childishness and weakness crash down on her. I love The Happily Ever After dream, and I know everyone has it, but....just like that? Would you accept out of the blue the fact that someone told you you've been destined to be with a person for your whole life without ever having met him? And do you really believe in Knights in Shining Armor? Didn't you learn with Jeremy...?

As for Randy, I think he's just....not compatible with Christina. I got a friends vibe from her reaction to him...? I think Randy's obsession with Katie might be because he was young, thought she was one thing, and she wasn't. He was shocked when her illness came and revealed her weakness. He misread Katie, just like he misread Christina so he thought they were like each other. I totally disagree.

I think he also missed the fact that Christina dreamed about the two not because she's the matchmaker, but because she had "HER MEMORIES". And I believe the memories came to Christina because Christina is much more like Kirsten than Katie ever will be. What makes someone someone is partially themselves (which is revealed in the memories) AND their decision (which IS the memories). Memories are a bigger fragment of Kirsten than her looks, which came to Katie instead. I think Katie represents the weaker side of Kirsten, the one that NEEDED a man and stood there and let Bastian and the werewolves fought and didn't stop it because of her prejudice and her belief it'd be fine without actual facts. Like Katie's belief it'd work out with Bastian.

And...Christina had such a vital part! I dislike the fact that she wasn't really part of the big treaty.....only a side-role. I guess that's not bad...but I really like the idea of her going in there, because she's the only one with a clear and unbiased mind, and she's fulfilling the peacemaker role that Kirsten failed to do when the werewolf came to her. I think she filled the "prophecy of following in Kirsten's footsteps" a lot more than Katie will. I CAN'T imagine Katie making the truce happen in the way that Christina can, and I can imagine her making the two work together and mollify each side in the way that Christina can. Basically, I think Christina has more sense and understanding, shown in ALL major endings, if not more intelligence than Katie.

#36 by Calixte9 - Jul 13 2008

I think the true ending would the New Order one becuase, in my opinion, it's the only ending where you find out the FULL picture. I like the Foretold ending a lot but I knew that it was just more like a set path where everything is decided for you.

I think that the endings where Bastian died (Crossfire, Judas Kiss etc.) didn't seem to tell the whole story and I thought it was too sad to just kill him without ever really having 'Kirsten' back.

A lot of people like the Fresh Start ending but I personly don't like it that much because though I quite like Katie, I don't think the story was really complete as you didn't really find out about Bastian and Kirsten. There was also hints that your relationship with Randy wasn't quite what you wanted so I thought that there was too much left undone in this ending.

I don't understand why there are a lot of Jeremy fans. I agree with lill_sweety that he's a power-crazed boy that doesn't know loyalty and only acted a gentleman to get what he wanted. It didn't seem at all that he was really kind or cared for you. Besides, living forever is a bad, bad thing and wanti ng to bring it upon you for his own gain seems selfish (I know that Bastian turned you into a Vampire in Foretold but He was just too desperate o never loose you again).

#37 by phoenixgirl - Jul 14 2008

I explained the rationale behind some liking Jeremy, including myself. But in addition, I suppose in a way, I felt sorry for him. Like he had to deliver Bastian's bride (although I suppose some could argue that Jeremy didn't have to do that) but yet he fell in love with Christina. (At least, I looked at it as love.) That would do a mind job on some people.

Help plz

#38 by Keddie - Dec 31 2008

mistyrosemon86:

I like the tim and jeremie endings.there my my fave guys in the game. who doesn't like a guy nice to to offer to build ya your own arcade(k u get him in that ending but) . and a wolf a boy leader for a boyfriend.

Which ending is the one where you get to be with Tim???

May Contain Spoilers

#39 by Keddie - Dec 31 2008

*MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS*

My favorite ending would actually have to be "Judas Kiss". That sounds really weird, because you never really find out about Bastian and Kirsten's past and all that, but I liked that Christina sided with the wolfriemen because they always seemd more trustworthy and goodhearted than Jeremy or Lucy did. To me it seems like it's worth it because you stay on good terms with Tim and Randy and Elizabeth as well as Lucy. It felt like a closure to me, because Lucy gets out of the whole mess and gets to live happily with you instead of being doomed to a horrible fate.

#40 by Keddie - Dec 31 2008

Personally, I REALLY don't like the ending where Bastian ends up with Katie. I know, the strategy guide says he'd be happy with either of them, but it doesn't feel right to me. All we have to connect Katie with Kirsten is that she looks like her. Christina's the one with Kirsten's memories. Besides, I don't buy that both Katie and Randy are suddenly ready to accept that she's going to become a vampire.

I also didn't really like the Bastian-Katie ending. It feels like you hardly even get to know Katie before she's sucked away into the mythical vampire world. It feels like Christina shouldn't have wanted Katie to be with Bastian that badly, because she hardly knew her at all, and never seemed that close to Randy, so I didn't see why she seemd to have such a strong desire to save Katie at all costs.

#41 by Naiomi666 - Mar 10 2009

[quote="FantasyFan"]Well, I guess I like bloodshed more than most others, because I'm kinda partial to the first ending I got, the "Bloodshed" or "Blood Reject" ending (Ending Number 2, where Christina follows Jeremy's path until the very end, where she stops everything by killing the entire clan and herself). I liked that ending because it's dark and creepy, but it doesn't make Christina the victim. Yes she dies, but she's very much in control. It also makes Christina into a very strong character. She's suffered betrayal by someone she thought she loved, but she rises above it and does what needs to be done. She won't let anymore innocents die. [/quote]

you know i also really liked blood reject for the same, but not until i played the game a second time. In that ending i always prefer to let Lucy go. I always thought that i would be cool though to kill Jeremy or let him , but get the chance to be leader of the vampires without a man! i know it would not be in character, but a girl can dream...