Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

hanako

Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#1 by hanako - Feb 5 2015

Black Closet webpage (for screenshots)

After years of work, this game is finally just about complete!

What is in the game?

* You play the Student Council President and direct your minions to solve randomly-generated mysteries. As you solve mysteries, you'll level up the skills of your minions, collect items to boost your stats, and socialise with people to learn more about them (and whether they're plotting against you).
* Everything your character says is your choice of what to say, like in an RPG. You have plenty of freedom in how you play the character. You don't need to worry that every choice will bring the game to an abrupt end - choices that are critically important to the plot are generally pretty obvious. So for the rest of it, just enjoy chatting with your friends the way YOU want to.
* Yuri romance or friendship options - If GxG is not your thing, you can still play the mystery-solving aspects and just be friends with your minions.
* The game is completely playable at this point, although additions are still being made. Art is in place. You can finish all the character routes and collect all the CGs. There's an achievement checklist and a jukebox and all that.
* Bugs? Yeah, there's probably still a few, this game is complicated. If you run into one, there should be buttons for you to upload the error messages you encounter, but feel free to post about them anyway. And if you can't upload for whatever reason, then please do post the error messages in this thread. If we don't know about it we can't fix it!
* Updates! You will need the license key from your purchase email to download new patches as they are released. You can generally safely apply anything labeled 'beta' (and you may want to check for updates right away after you install your game). Spiky's announcing new patches as they're released. Don't download patches labeled 'alpha' unless we specifically tell you to - that means *I* haven't tested it yet, so it's more likely to go kaboom.

What's not in the game

* Make-your-own-character / free-play mode still hasn't been done. I still want to make this happen and hope to add it in a later update, but if this part is really important to you, it's not there yet.

skydragonwings

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#2 by skydragonwings - Feb 7 2015

I've been playing for a while and I haven't encountered any problems that actually interfere with the game, but I keep getting messages indicating that my saves might not load, or that it might cause problems if I try to play with them even if they do load. Thus far I've loaded a few saves with that message, chosen to ignore it, and nothing has gone wrong when I've played. I think I get more of the error messages in the second term usually, but it's happened in both terms and on every girl's route so far (I've played with everyone except Thais as my queen).

When I was playing Althea's route, in the second term I got a message almost every week saying that I wouldn't be able to save, or wouldn't be able to load if I did. This just happened as I was playing, not when I attempted to save specifically (and I didn't try to save after I started getting the messages). I think I selected the option to upload the log every time that happened, and that seemed to be working from my end. I also have an option to upload the save and debugging log when I get an error screen on trying to load a save, but my game freezes whenever I try to do that. This is the text I get when I save the debugging log (I haven't saved all of them, but I think they're all very similar, with a long list of student names):

(5, 'Expected a Student, got', <class 'store.RichendaStudent'>, 'discarded', [<Student 13847750: Valarie>, <Student 13bb67d0: May>, <Student 13bb0f90: Vivian>, <Student 13ba32f0: Allie>, <Student 13b99c30: Judy>, <Student 13494490: Tracey>, <Student 13ba3a70: Sheri>, <Student 13bb28d0: Kylie>, <Student 13bd2cf0: Kristal>, <Student 13ba3570: Anamarija>, <Student 13bb2b70: Patsy>, <Student 13ba37f0: Marguerite>, <Student 134ab930: Hilda>, <Student 13ba3d30: Sonya>, <Student 13bb2e50: Henrietta>, <Student 13ba3ff0: Tabitha>, <Student 134acb50: Hailee>, <Student 1347b0b0: Aurelia>, <Student 13bb6bf0: Leanna>, <Student 13b99350: Abbie>, <Student 1347a6d0: Nelda>, <Student 13bc54b0: India>, <Student 1347c170: Sharon>, <Student 1347aa70: Leigh>, <Student 13bb01f0: Sharron>, <Student 13490270: Valentina>, <Student 13b995f0: Alanna>, <Student 13b99ef0: Melisa>, <Student 13bb6f90: Jo>, <Student 13b99890: Kaye>, <Student 13bd28f0: Rosalind>, <Student 13bc0f70: Jewell>, <Student 1348d210: Kalean>, <Student 1347ae10: Lori>, <Student 13482b30: Lizzie>, <Student 13bc0cf0: Lauryn>, <Student 13837030: Brentnie>, <Student 13bc5870: Carina>, <Student 13482830: Octavia>, <Student 13bc0350: Chelesy>, <Student 13482d30: Haleigh>, <Student 13491c70: Christian>, <Student 13bc5c30: Summit>, <Student 138373b0: Rosetta>, <Student 1347c530: Marta>, <Student 1348ddd0: Roxanne>, <Student 13837770: Gayla>, <Student 1347ccd0: Chelsey>, <Student 13847eb0: Hilary>, <Student 13499cf0: Kaitlyn>, <Student 13499070: Carlie>, <Student 13499430: Mitzi>, <Student 13bb0a90: Kiera>, <Student 13bb07b0: \u00c1ine>, <Student 1347b430: Edna>, <Student 13499810: Serena>, <Student 1347b810: Laurie>, <Student 13499b50: Luraine>, <Student 13490dd0: Delilah>, <Student 134ac7b0: Janeicia>, <Student 1347c8d0: Valarie>, <Student 138473b0: Geraldine>, <Student 13491890: Anya>, <Student 1348da10: \u00c1gnes>, <Student 13494890: Stella>, <Student 134ac030: Jerry>], ('tr', 'underground_case'), 'Cultists', 'default_students')
(0, 'Save was', '6-4')
-end

Also, I don't know if this is related, but I just noticed that I don't have Mallory's CGs in the album even though I just beat the game with her as queen and got both of them. Althea's are there even though hers was the route I had the most saving issues on.

As I said, so far this hasn't interfered with actually playing the game, and I'm having a lot of fun doing that!

hanako

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#3 by hanako - Feb 7 2015

It autosaves every week, which is why it's throwing constant messages at you once something's gone wrong. Some case is causing bad Gossip again, apparently. (Will poke Spiky once he wakes up.)

(Unimportant sidenote - postcounts are being weird. I think any further posts in this forum should now add up but previous ones I guess still don't even though this subforum isn't private anymore. Not important, just noting.)

zeru57

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#4 by zeru57 - Feb 7 2015

In Trouble in Paradise, it's always the friend in the bottom row who knows what happened. That should probably be randomized.

skydragonwings

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#5 by skydragonwings - Feb 7 2015

Do you know why Mallory's CGs aren't in my album? I definitely did see all of them when I was playing her route.

Franka

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#6 by Franka - Feb 7 2015

skydragonwings:
I've been playing for a while and I haven't encountered any problems that actually interfere with the game, but I keep getting messages indicating that my saves might not load, or that it might cause problems if I try to play with them even if they do load. Thus far I've loaded a few saves with that message, chosen to ignore it, and nothing has gone wrong when I've played.

Closing down the game and starting it again usually makes those load errors go away. Usually.

hanako:
(Unimportant sidenote - postcounts are being weird. I think any further posts in this forum should now add up but previous ones I guess still don't even though this subforum isn't private anymore. Not important, just noting.)

(They've been weird for a good while.)

hanako

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#7 by hanako - Feb 8 2015

Oh I knew they were weird for a while, but I figured it was just because this forum, like the secrets forum, was hidden so posts didn't count. I thought they would start counting once I unhid it, but no. There's clearly a permissions setting somewhere that I'm not seeing. Anyway, I copied over permissions from a different subforum so now the posts are counting.

I have no idea why Mallory's CGs aren't showing in the album for you - they're showing up for me. Spiky's looking at something else right now but I'm sure he'll wander around here eventually

skydragonwings

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#8 by skydragonwings - Feb 8 2015

It was a while ago and I don't think I have a save file for it, but one time Rowan became ill and was withdrawn from school after I failed to please the Red Mask Society, but she still showed up to be my personal slave after I got deferred. Then she still wasn't available for missions until she came back next term, at which point she got angry at me for failing to protect her and left again, which I assume is supposed to happen.

I guess it's not necessarily a bug if she's just that determined to please me, but it seemed a bit odd.

hanako

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#9 by hanako - Feb 8 2015

Yeah, that sounds like a bug.

zeru57

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#10 by zeru57 - Feb 8 2015

zeru57:
In Trouble in Paradise, it's always the friend in the bottom row who knows what happened. That should probably be randomized.

Nevermind about this - it is properly randomized.

zeru57

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#11 by zeru57 - Feb 8 2015

If you let the Steam tunnels case get to the bitter end and girls start getting headaches, etc., if Mallory becomes absent for nightmares, she will not actually be absent, and can still be assigned to cases. This does not happen with Vonne or Rowan, they will be absent as indicated.

Spiky Caterpillar

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#12 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 9 2015

skydragonwings:
This is the text I get when I save the debugging log (I haven't saved all of them, but I think they're all very similar, with a long list of student names):

(5, 'Expected a Student, got', <class 'store.RichendaStudent'>, 'discarded', [<Student 13847750: Valarie>, (etc)
-end

Re-saving an errored save should make that error message go away; the underlying bug that was leaking nonstandard students into the gossip list when the steam tunnels case starts should be fixed in 0.9.15 (which isn't done yet).

Also, I don't know if this is related, but I just noticed that I don't have Mallory's CGs in the album even though I just beat the game with her as queen and got both of them. Althea's are there even though hers was the route I had the most saving issues on.

I can't reproduce this. If you first unlocked the CGs on a sufficiently old version the unlock data might not have saved - do they make it into the gallery if you play over the scenes where they unlock again?

zeru57

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#13 by zeru57 - Feb 9 2015

It seems weird that you can have a conversation with Thais about the Red Mask society before she gets poisoned, and when she comes back for spring semester she jumps straight to giving you Christmas presents and has apparently forgotten all about the Red Mask.

skydragonwings

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#14 by skydragonwings - Feb 9 2015

I can try to replay the scenes with Mallory's CGs - could you let me know which weeks they appear on? Thanks!

hanako

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#15 by hanako - Feb 9 2015

zeru57:
It seems weird that you can have a conversation with Thais about the Red Mask society before she gets poisoned, and when she comes back for spring semester she jumps straight to giving you Christmas presents and has apparently forgotten all about the Red Mask.

Currently, with the obvious exception, most people don't have written reactions to the whole Red Mask thing if they get poisoned.

The meta-reason for this is that since you can't DO anything about it at this point (you've lost the thread, you can no longer target the Red Mask) it seems slightly pointless to derail the main plot over it, especially when the girls may not necessarily believe that the Mask was really behind them getting sick.

I may look at adding a quick handwave comment in a few cases, even if it's just a denial, but it does have to be fairly quickly brushed aside lest it raise too many questions that can't be addressed in that run. Only in the case where it has serious consequences does it merit a full scene, IMO.

zeru57

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#16 by zeru57 - Feb 9 2015

Last night I had a Cell phone forwarding case with an exhibitionist where I detained her and she apologized and was eliminated as a suspect. After harassing, etc., other girls with the picture, I was down to a single girl who I could question, harass, or stalk, all with no effect. After a while the case closed out with a failure.

Is this a bug, or did I just screw up how I handled the case?

saliere

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#17 by saliere - Feb 9 2015

Are the crash logs supposed to save in the Black Closet game folder? If not, where would one end up, and should I post it in this thread if I can find it? My client stopped responding in the middle of uploading.

Spiky Caterpillar

#18 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 10 2015

saliere:
Are the crash logs supposed to save in the Black Closet game folder? If not, where would one end up, and should I post it in this thread if I can find it? My client stopped responding in the middle of uploading.

Crash logs are created in (in order of preference): the directory the game is in (which may not be available on UAC-enabled Windows), the game's current working directory (which is usually the directory the game is in, iirc), or your temp directory.

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.15 changelog

#19 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 10 2015

The way random councillors (for the guard action in the tutorial) are created has been changed. This should fix the crashes complaining that RandomCouncillor objects don't have a filename attribute. Under the hood, it changes things so all students now have several of the councillor fields (which will be useful when writing plotless mode later)

A crash if you had Rowan as your slave and then the Red Mask chased her off should be fixed.

Save warnings:
The 'expelled' variable in one of the goth cases should now load.

The 'target_harassment_failed' field will no longer be set (it wasn't being checked anywhere).

The underground case will now be stricter about what students it allows into the steam tunnel target list. This fixes load-time complaints that mayoral candidates aren't really students.

For the last two, if you've got a save that currently displays the warning, loading, re-saving, and re-loading will make the warning go away.

skydragonwings

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#20 by skydragonwings - Feb 10 2015

I played the Harvest Queen scene with Mallory again and her first CG is now in my album. Could you remind me which days you get the other CGs on so I can load the right save files quickly to replay them? Thanks!

hanako

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#21 by hanako - Feb 10 2015

According to my calendar, Mallory's museum trip happens on Feb 4th, and the party in her room on Mar 3rd.

skydragonwings

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#22 by skydragonwings - Feb 10 2015

I replayed and they're all there now.

flwriter124

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#23 by flwriter124 - Feb 11 2015

So I'm out with Thais at the carnival and after the "Where the booths of the school harvest..." paragraph, I got a page that says "Neither girl was the mole <XXX Test>" . After that the scene seems to play normally.

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.16 changelog

#24 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 15 2015

Player-visible changes:
* Custom gossip messages for students from "A Plague On Both Your Houses" added.
* 'Exception: Object type not sanitizable' on load should now give a savegame warning and discard the offending object, instead of crashing. (I'm not sure WHAT object is leaking into saved games, so please upload your saves if you get problems with them.
* Dark lines under cases' log tabs when playing in a 1358x763 window fixed.

Other changes:
* Some loadsave strings now translatable, some old code pulled, errors that occur loading individual students from the gossip-list no longer blank the entire gossip candidate list, part of a progress indicator in uploads in.

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.25 changelog

#25 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 19 2015

* Stray 'Neither girl was the mole - XXX test' message pulled from Thaïs' carnival date.
* Numerous fixes to gossip in the common room, including a big bug that led to the girls with non-standard gossip messages usually just giving default gossip. Of course, since it's now much easier to get non-standard gossip messages, that means it's likely you'll find some interesting new bugs. For a few cases, you'll need to play them over to actually unlock the relevant gossip messages. And all the gossip that wasn't yet in now is.
* A new variant to the steam tunnels case is in.
* Some interaction with your Queen in december no longer available if she's been pulled out of school. (Rowan is not THAT dedicated - also applies to Thais and Vonne)
* And assorted code cleanup.
* New girls no longer come into the food poisoning variant of 'A Plague on Both Your Houses' with stalk buttons.
* Ash Wednesday scene/case in.
* Some missing text exploring the cave added.
* An extra valentine scene added (If you've failed certain romances, someone will send you something.)
* Improvements to the secret society case / political protest variant.
* Translation hooks updated to reset the fonts to the ones Black Closet uses instead of the ones Magical Diary uses when you return to English mode.
* Crash handling screen now accepts hotkeys. (Which are translatable) This makes crashes a lot less annoying for those of us who prefer to play using the keyboard.
* New expulsion animation.
* Crash stalking the senior on the slave offering day in the hazing variant of the secret society fixed.
* Added some controller support improvements for Long Live The Queen - in particular, hats and dpads now work.

Network/crypto changes:
* Uploading now reports progress. This should make it more obvious whether the game's uploading a save slowly or locked up.
* Encrypted upload now works with MacOS, and there's an option to install GPG. Mac users - test this! It works on my test machine but not necessarily others.
* Encryption can now use gpg2.
* Better reporting of errors downloading gpg.
* gpg licenses included.

Loadsave changes:
* Loading no longer complains about checklist_notify.
* A couple bugs that could cause saves to crash on load have been fixed.
* A couple places where load wasn't sanity-checking text have been fixed.

zeru57

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#26 by zeru57 - Feb 20 2015

0.9.25 is still listed as an alpha update.

hanako

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#27 by hanako - Feb 20 2015

Should be showing as beta now.

Cherie0

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#28 by Cherie0 - Feb 21 2015

I wonder if this is feasible to ask? Would it be alright to add a "Hide skip button" option to the game, just like it was done with Long Live The Queen? It isn't a big deal though, if it's not a good idea or something.

Spiky Caterpillar

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#29 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 21 2015

Hm. How many people want an option to hide the skip scene button? If enough people want it, I'll put it in the options screen; in the meantime, you should be able to patch the skip scene button out by creating a 'noskip.rpy' with the following code:


init 9 python:
 def show_skip(*a):
   pass

and dropping it in the game/ directory with the other .rpyc files.

(To re-enable skip if you've patched it out, rename the .rpy to something that does not end in .rpy, and delete noskip.rpyc)

Cherie0

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#30 by Cherie0 - Feb 21 2015

Spiky Caterpillar:
Hm. How many people want an option to hide the skip scene button? If enough people want it, I'll put it in the options screen; in the meantime, you should be able to patch the skip scene button out by creating a 'noskip.rpy' with the following code:
init 9 python:
 def show_skip(*a):
   pass
and dropping it in the game/ directory with the other .rpyc files.

(To re-enable skip if you've patched it out, rename the .rpy to something that does not end in .rpy, and delete noskip.rpyc)

Thanks! I will do that instead.

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.26 changelog:

#31 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 22 2015

* If you successfully win the traitor's loyalty, she stops bringing quite so many lemons from the supply closet.
* A crash starting the steam tunnels case fixed.
* A roll-forward command added to controllers (by default, second stick up is rollback and second stick down is roll-forward)
* Some steam tunnels gossip bugs fixed (A crash, a double-gossip bug, a noninteresting student marked as high priority for gossip.)
* A bug where students who would be reported absent due to nightmares wouldn't actually be absent unless they'd been assigned to a task the previous day has been fixed.
* Some minor spacing, code cleanup, and pixel nudging.
* ý added to font.

Darksilverhawk

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#32 by Darksilverhawk - Feb 26 2015

That first line has got to be one of the funniest out of context lines I've ever seen in a changelog, right behind "alligators can no longer wear armor."

Anyway, I intend to pick this up today or tomorrow. Do you have objections to people streaming this game on Twitch while it's still in beta? It looks like it would be fun to play with viewer input, but I'm happy to hold off if you want to keep the game private until it goes live.

Kelibath

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#33 by Kelibath - Feb 27 2015

Just bought Black Closet in beta - I love what you did with Long Live The Queen, so I'm hoping I'll like this too!

Couple of questions:

Will my beta key cover the Steam release as well as the main release? I'd really like the achievements on Steam as well as the main game.
When I purchased it, the game was linked to my PayPal name rather than allowing me to enter my own name upon purchase. Can I change this at all? PayPal still has my maiden (unmarried) name associated with it.

Thanks, and keep up the good work!

hanako

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#34 by hanako - Feb 27 2015

Darksilverhawk:
Anyway, I intend to pick this up today or tomorrow. Do you have objections to people streaming this game on Twitch while it's still in beta? It looks like it would be fun to play with viewer input, but I'm happy to hold off if you want to keep the game private until it goes live.

We've so far had only one stream event and that was pre-arranged with some ground rules. (It was a set time worked out so that we devs could watch and get useful testing information, and the streamer agreed not to permanently archive the event or post it on youtube).

If you want to do something like that, talk to me - it's probably okay as long as we can watch and you let people know that it's still in beta.

hanako

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#35 by hanako - Feb 27 2015

Kelibath:
Just bought Black Closet in beta - I love what you did with Long Live The Queen, so I'm hoping I'll like this too!

Couple of questions:

Will my beta key cover the Steam release as well as the main release? I'd really like the achievements on Steam as well as the main game.
When I purchased it, the game was linked to my PayPal name rather than allowing me to enter my own name upon purchase. Can I change this at all? PayPal still has my maiden (unmarried) name associated with it.

Thanks, and keep up the good work!

I can't do anything about the internal name registration but no one will ever see that except you (and me if you need me to look it up in the database to send you a new download or something), so it doesn't really matter much, I hope?

If/when we get to steam, there will be some method for previous buyers to get free steam keys. I don't know the exact mechanism at this point. We may build another system like we did with LLTQ where you pop in your license key and get a Steam key, but I don't know yet.

Rhine

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#36 by Rhine - Feb 27 2015

Hey, I'm getting an error that's not letting me progress the game any further. I've got the traceback below. If I try and ignore it, the basement/gossip/steamtunnels mission doesn't show. I'm gonna go cry now cause this run was going well

Please send help

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/script.rpy", line 312, in script call
File "game/underground.rpy", line 52, in script
File "game/underground.rpy", line 53, in <module>
File "game/underground.rpy", line 150, in __init__
TypeError: IsInteresting() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "game/script.rpy", line 312, in script call
File "game/underground.rpy", line 52, in script
File "/Users/katiekeirstead/Desktop/BlackCloset.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ast.py", line 756, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "/Users/katiekeirstead/Desktop/BlackCloset.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1385, in py_exec_bytecode
exec bytecode in globals, locals
File "game/underground.rpy", line 53, in <module>
File "game/underground.rpy", line 150, in __init__
TypeError: IsInteresting() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)

Darwin-14.1.0-x86_64-i386-64bit
Ren'Py 6.17.7.521

Game: BlackCloset-0.9.25
Renderer: gl 1366x768
OS: Darwin 14.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 14.1.0: Mon Dec 22 23:10:38 PST 2014; root:xnu-2782.10.72~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 i386
Game Time: 1 1 5
crash_ignored

Spiky Caterpillar

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#37 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 28 2015

Rhine:
Hey, I'm getting an error that's not letting me progress the game any further. I've got the traceback below. If I try and ignore it, the basement/gossip/steamtunnels mission doesn't show. I'm gonna go cry now cause this run was going well Please send help

TypeError: IsInteresting() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)

That bug should be fixed in the newest version - to get the fix, update to 0.9.26. (If the updater doesn't work right for you, Hanako can send a new installer.)

Rhine

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#38 by Rhine - Feb 28 2015

Thanks for the tip! I'd completely missed the ability to update!

Unfortunately, it's not letting me do that either

Darksilverhawk

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#39 by Darksilverhawk - Feb 28 2015

I'm noticing that every time you load an autosave, it autosaves that same state again to a different slot. This is a problem if you need to check more than one autosave because you don't remember exactly what week you made the error you want/need to correct- I have to load one of them and hope it's either the right one or that it doesn't automatically overwrite the one I do want.

hanako

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#40 by hanako - Feb 28 2015

Rhine:
Thanks for the tip! I'd completely missed the ability to update!

Unfortunately, it's not letting me do that either

What happens when you try to update?

(While we can provide fresh installers when builds are bumped, trying to fix the update system is also useful

You're on a Mac, right? Most of the updater debugging so far has been windows related.)

Darksilverhawk

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#41 by Darksilverhawk - Feb 28 2015

In No Handbills, No Flyers, I've noticed that if the girl makes the whole thing up for attention, then when guarding the area it shows the check being made against the "victim," even if the text indicates that the minion watching the area doesn't see anyone spesific. Is the question result that opens up persuade as an option supposed to imply the girl herself is the prime suspect and I'm just misinterpreting it? Or is this an oversight?

hanako

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#42 by hanako - Feb 28 2015

In some variants she is putting up those flyers herself and you can actually catch her at it.

Darksilverhawk

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#43 by Darksilverhawk - Feb 28 2015

That's what I meant- she's putting up the flyers, but the text says something along the lines of "you hear footsteps, but you don't see anyone." But I see her making the check against me anyway. It looks like an interface spoiler. If I see it happen again I'll take better notes.

edit: Since I just realized there's several versions of that case, it's the one where unflattering posters about a specific girl are being put up.

Rhine

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#44 by Rhine - Feb 28 2015

Yes, I am on a Mac. When I try and update, I get this error

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/updater.rpy", line 959, in script
File "game/updater.rpy", line 959, in <module>
File "game/updater.rpy", line 854, in do_upgrade
File "game/updater.rpy", line 564, in step
File "game/updater.rpy", line 515, in get_catalog_yielding
File "game/updater.rpy", line 150, in retrieve_yielding
File "game/network.rpy", line 68, in encode_for_post
File "game/network.rpy", line 15, in encrypt_for_spiky
IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "game/updater.rpy", line 959, in script
File "/Users/katiekeirstead/Desktop/BlackCloset.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/ast.py", line 756, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "/Users/katiekeirstead/Desktop/BlackCloset.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/renpy/python.py", line 1385, in py_exec_bytecode
exec bytecode in globals, locals
File "game/updater.rpy", line 959, in <module>
File "game/updater.rpy", line 854, in do_upgrade
File "game/updater.rpy", line 564, in step
File "game/updater.rpy", line 515, in get_catalog_yielding
File "game/updater.rpy", line 150, in retrieve_yielding
File "game/network.rpy", line 68, in encode_for_post
File "game/network.rpy", line 15, in encrypt_for_spiky
File "gpg.py", line 278, in Encrypt
IOError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

Darwin-14.1.0-x86_64-i386-64bit
Ren'Py 6.17.7.521

Game: BlackCloset-0.9.25
Renderer: gl 1366x768
OS: Darwin 14.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 14.1.0: Mon Dec 22 23:10:38 PST 2014; root:xnu-2782.10.72~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 i386

Spiky Caterpillar

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#45 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 28 2015

Go into the Options screen and click the Privacy Options button. Does the game say GnuPG has been detected? If not, there should be a button to install it.

Rhine

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#46 by Rhine - Feb 28 2015

It says it hasn't been detected, but when I click to install it, says "Debug(download complete)" and then "checking for signatures". It then bumps me back to the privacy options screen and says I still don't have it installed, even after closing and re-opening the game.

Also as a side note, sorry to bug y'all if this is just me being dumb.

hanako

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#47 by hanako - Feb 28 2015

Don't worry, you're being helpful! Like I said, we've had a lot less test feedback on that end of things on Macs, so we'd really like to get them working.

Spiky Caterpillar

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#48 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 28 2015

It doesn't report the download progress at all?

What happens when you try to download http://updates.spikycaterpillar.com/black_closet/mac/gpg2.bz2 in a web browser, from the machine you're playing Black Closet on? (It should give you a savable file, 279,006 bytes long, but some firewalls and anti-malware programs will silently block download of executables.)

If you start terminal.app, what does


cd ~
find Desktop/BlackCloset.app -iname \*gpg\*

output?

(Also, while I want to fix the GPG problem, if you just want to get the update NOW going into privacy settings and turning encryption off may work)

Rhine

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#49 by Rhine - Feb 28 2015

I was unclear in my earlier post, sorry. It does show the download progress, and appears to download successfully (it shows 100% completion). I can download that file fine, but the terminal commands you gave me show no result. When I type them in, nothing happens.

Spiky Caterpillar

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#50 by Spiky Caterpillar - Mar 1 2015

(cd ~ always just drops you back at a prompt, find will return nothing if it didn't find anything)
Is there a gpg2 in ~/Library/RenPy/BlackCloset/ ?

I've added some debugging code to 0.9.26.1 - to use it:
Turn encryption off in privacy settings.
Turn updates to alpha versions on.
Update to 0.9.26.1

Try to install GPG from the network preferences. It should now tell you where it put the file. If it goes back to network preferences without telling you where gpg2 is, then press shift-O and type

unroller.gpg_err

into the console for a little more detailed information about a couple of places the error could have occurred.

Rhine

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#51 by Rhine - Mar 1 2015

There was no gpg2 in the Library folder. I was able to update to the alpha version and then successfully install gpg2

Spiky Caterpillar

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#52 by Spiky Caterpillar - Mar 1 2015

Cool, thanks. If it installed successfully you should be able to turn encryption back on.

(... and now I'm confused, because while I did add more debugging AFAIK the routines to install gpg should have worked on 0.9.25 if they worked on 0.9.26.1. But knowing when code is being confusing will help track down the real bug eventually)

Darksilverhawk

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#53 by Darksilverhawk - Mar 1 2015

Tiny thing, but this happened: http://i.imgur.com/50owCzt.jpg

Darksilverhawk

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#54 by Darksilverhawk - Mar 2 2015

The No Handbills case variant with the bug popped up again and I got screenshots this time.

Ok, so I got the case with Ericka as the victim, and the first thing I did was stake out the area: http://i.imgur.com/j2axj2h.jpg

As you can see, the result was ambiguous and it gave me the failure text like I learned nothing, but you can see Ericka there making the check against Thaïs and revealing one of her stats, revealing herself as the perpetrator.

Next day: http://i.imgur.com/2mvxwv3.jpg Ericka still has her observation stat revealed, and my options to interact with her are still the standard question/harass/stalk. I immediately harassed her and she confessed. I forgot to grab a screenshot of the case log, but it just showed the standard failure message for Thaïs not finding anything.

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#55 by FractalReaper - Mar 9 2015

I am also unable to install updates or GnuPG. The traceback for installing the update mentions failure at the encryption stage, so I assume it's because I don't have GnuPG installed. Can post the traceback if that would be helpful. Here is the traceback for attempting to install GnuPG.

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/network.rpy", line 334, in script
File "game/network.rpy", line 334, in <module>
File "game/network.rpy", line 299, in catalog_platform
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'tolower'

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "game/network.rpy", line 334, in script
File "C:\Program Files (x86)\Black Closet\renpy\ast.py", line 1545, in execute
if renpy.python.py_eval(condition):
File "C:\Program Files (x86)\Black Closet\renpy\python.py", line 1419, in py_eval
return eval(py_compile(source, 'eval'), globals, locals)
File "game/network.rpy", line 334, in <module>
File "game/network.rpy", line 299, in catalog_platform
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'tolower'

Windows-7-6.1.7601-SP1
Ren'Py 6.17.7.521

Game: BlackCloset-0.9.25
Renderer: gl 1366x768
OS: Windows 7 6.1.7601 AMD64 Intel64 Family 6 Model 45 Stepping 7, GenuineIntel
crash_ignored

Should I also do an unencrypted install of alpha 9.26.1. and try again?

Spiky Caterpillar

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#56 by Spiky Caterpillar - Mar 10 2015

FractalReaper: I'll have that bug fixed in 0.9.27 (probably out later tonight)

FractalReaper

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#57 by FractalReaper - Mar 10 2015

Good to know. I'm curious, how important is it to make sure updates are installed through encrypted channels? For reference, what timezone are you in? Important for knowing what you mean by "tonight".

hanako

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#58 by hanako - Mar 10 2015

Knowing a developer's timezone doesn't always equate to knowing when they think sleeptime is.

(To the best of my knowledge, it's not actually important, but I'll let Spiky answer that.)

Spiky Caterpillar

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#59 by Spiky Caterpillar - Mar 10 2015

FractalReaper:
Good to know. I'm curious, how important is it to make sure updates are installed through encrypted channels? For reference, what timezone are you in? Important for knowing what you mean by "tonight".

Encryption while updating isn't that important - it just conceals your license key from packet sniffers (assuming everything is working the way I think it does). The actual updates are cryptographically signed plaintext regardless of whether encryption is enabled or not, so unless someone's stolen my keys, broken DSA and RSA*, trojaned my RNG, or I've made a mistake, they should be safe to install unencrypted.

I'm in Pacific, though my definition of 'tonight' scrolls randomly around the clock. Upgrading to 0.9.27 (now in alpha, about to be beta) should fix the tolower crash when you try to install GPG.

* I'm pretty sure that quantum machines capable of breaking RSA are going to find their way onto the covert market sometime between 2010 and 2025. I don't know if or to what extent quantum computing compromises DSA and ElGamal.

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.27 changelog

#60 by Spiky Caterpillar - Mar 10 2015

* Added some more debugging code for GPG downloads.
* Gossipping with students from Prancing and Pawing cases should no longer give double answers.
* Probable crashes gossipping with girls from a few case variants fixed.
* A bug where variable names wouldn't be interpolated in some special-event gossip fixed.
* A crash in the uprint() function on some systems should be fixed.
* Crash reports now include details about what version(s) of the game the save that crashed has been played in. (Making it easier to tell if I'm looking at an old-save bug or a current bug.)
* A crash downloading GPG on some systems should be fixed.
* A crash starting the traitor case when you got the traitor to confess, expelled someone else, and then offended the traitor enough that she no longer is willing to cooperate with you fixed.

Franka

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#61 by Franka - Mar 10 2015

Still showing as an Alpha build.

Montoya

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#62 by Montoya - Mar 12 2015

This might've been mentioned in the tutorial and just escaped my notice, but when you assign an action like questioning or harassing, it took me a while to realize that the two left-hand icons were the stations your minions used, and the two right-hand were the ones the victim used. Once I realized that, the system got a whole lot less opaque.

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.32 changes

#63 by Spiky Caterpillar - Mar 18 2015

* Now, when you Guard or Stake Out, you will generally only see a name/face associated with the opposing student if you've caught her, so it won't give away too much information. This tweaks game balance, and wasn't originally designed in, so checking carefully for bugs would be a good idea.
* Several crashes when gossipping have been fixed.
* A crash when loading some buggy saves fixed. (Still need a copy of the actual save to fix the underlying bug.)
* A minor bug in one of the Just Say No variants (it was supposed to close if you successfully guarded the room they were sneaking out from) has been fixed.
* Some debug message cleanup.
* A couple minor bugs in the vandalism variant where she's deliberately scattering trash should be fixed.
* No longer autosaves immediately after you load a saved game.

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.33 changes:

#64 by Spiky Caterpillar - Mar 18 2015

* Fix a crash when trying to autosave after starting a new game in 0.9.32.
* No longer makes multiple autosaves when you roll back and forth across the week-start screen.

Darksilverhawk

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#65 by Darksilverhawk - Mar 18 2015

Is there supposed to be a student named "Kimberlyy" or is that a typo?

hanako

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#66 by hanako - Mar 18 2015

We pulled the generator data from a giant names database - as Spiky is rather fond of weird names, we have an assortment pulled from down near the bottom of the list in popularity as well as more common ones. Which means that names which were misspelled on official records end up in the database as well.

I pull names that I think shouldn't be in there when I see them (usually it's either typoes, NAME ENTERED IN ALL CAPS FOR SOME REASON, or 'No, seriously, nobody's going to believe that's a girl's name') but the list is so huge that there are still some strange bits lurking in there. I think 'Kimberlyy' should probably come out.

silentheartsong

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#67 by silentheartsong - Mar 19 2015

Maybe it could be Kimberleigh. That sounds special enough.

hanako

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#68 by hanako - Mar 19 2015

There probably already is a Kimberleigh! And several other variants as well. It's a big list.

somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#69 by somestrangecircus - Mar 19 2015

"Kimberlyy" kind of reminds me of names like "Alexx" or "Maxxwell". Like that extra letter makes it a better name? I dunno.

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#70 by Darksilverhawk - Mar 19 2015

I think the unusual names are cool (very pretentious- after all, the case right after that included a girl named Queen!), Kimberlyy just looks like that particular kind of misspelling that's probably a typo. If it had been something like Kimberlyey I probably wouldn't even have noticed.

I like the Guard/Stake Out changes; it looks more like it logically should now (if your minions don't catch them to report to you, the player shouldn't be able to see them, though I swear that was how it worked with almost all the cases before anyway). There was one instance where I caught the perp but her card wasn't revealed during the check, but the text told me what I needed to know and she was available for interrogation right after so no big deal.

Bonus not-a-bug: Dang it, Briony, I thought learning magic was supposed to keep you OUT of trouble.

(Edit: I just went poking through the name database to see what else was there and wow, you've got a lot of (cool) names there. "Trouble" gave me a good giggle.)

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.34 changelog

#71 by Spiky Caterpillar - Mar 19 2015

* Debug messages trimmed.
* A stray 'XXX fade' message pulled.
* If the Red Mask poisons your queen, she should now actually be unavailable.
* Kimberlyy now Kimberleigh.
* A couple cosmetic tweaks to the kiss-in messages.
* The November 21st Rowan-path scenes are now actually visible.
* Rowan's extra duties should no longer leave her stuck on break if she was on break when the weekend started.

somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#72 by somestrangecircus - Mar 20 2015

So if I were to purchase this, how many computers can I download my copy to? The reason I ask is that I currently share a computer with a roommate, but obviously if we were to no longer live together, I wouldn't be able to do that anymore. So say I buy the game, download it on roommate's computer, and then five months in the future I am no longer living with roommate but I magically have my own computer to put the game on. Is there a download limit or anything like that?

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Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#73 by hanako - Mar 20 2015

By default, the download links automatically expire after time passes or if they're accessed from multiple locations. I can (and do) generate fresh download emails for people when they ask, but that requires them emailing me their order info, me being able to find it in the database, and send out new links.

Once there is a demo version of this game (when it finishes beta and launches) then it may be possible to upgrade any demo version to a full version by putting in your license code. We haven't actually built the demos yet so I can't promise this completely, but we did it for LLTQ. It doesn't work perfectly for all people (some people's net connections balk at downloading that much content in the game thread) but when it does work it creates an easy way to reinstall the game as long as you keep your license key email.

You can also back up the game installer yourself to copy it between computers. (Or there may eventually be disc versions available, to keep a solid copy of the installer around.)

somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#74 by somestrangecircus - Mar 20 2015

So if I bought and downloaded the game now, and then later wound up getting my own computer, I could politely request another download e-mail from Her Great Majesty Hanako?

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hanako

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#75 by hanako - Mar 20 2015

Yep

somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#76 by somestrangecircus - Mar 20 2015

Yay! My master plan can be implemented.

Incidentally, you may have noticed that I'm reviewing your games every so often? My plan was to purchase Black Closet tomorrow (payday) and play for the last bit of the beta, then give you a review once the game is released. Because lesbians and mysteries sound like fun.

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0.9.37 changelog

#77 by Spiky Caterpillar - Mar 21 2015

* Error message saving guarded_successfully for the case variant where girls are sneaking out fixed.
* A bug that would cause "Vandalised" tags from a previous case to show up when the location is reused in other cases fixed. Note that the tag is cleared when the vandalism case is closed, so when using saves from older versions you may still get the extra tag.
* The crash I created fixing that last bug also fixed.
* Minor typo talking to Rowan (The 'as' when she said 'remember me as a crybaby' was missing) fixed.
* Minions absent due to illness maxing their stress are now reported as absent due to illness rather than stress.
* Captions at the top when performing actions now better centered, have 'the' in the appropriate places.
* The help has been tweaked slightly, and now includes icon images. Note that the updater can't change files outside BlackCloset.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/ on Mac, so if you want the new helpfile you'll need to copy BlackCloset.app/Contents/Resources/autorun/README.html over the one alongside the app.
* A Rowan-path scene on November 26th is now actually accessible.
* Some unused code deleted, comments cleaned up, and debug messages trimmed.
* Losing the final confrontation a specific way should work better.

hanako

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#78 by hanako - Mar 24 2015

Currently considering a big feature addition.

However, if we want it in at launch, this will push the launch back by a good way.

Not entirely sure what to do with that.

Will post more information in a while.

somestrangecircus

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#79 by somestrangecircus - Mar 24 2015

This mystery intrigues me!

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Darksilverhawk

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#80 by Darksilverhawk - Mar 24 2015

You can't tease us like that and not even give us a hint!

somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#81 by somestrangecircus - Mar 24 2015

There is the previously mentioned make your own character mode; maybe that's it?

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hanako

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#82 by hanako - Mar 24 2015

This is something different.

I will tease more effectively when the chances of it existing are higher.

somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#83 by somestrangecircus - Mar 25 2015

For a grade on one case, I got an asterisk.

It was a Missing Items case; I solved it by finding the lost item in the last place the person had seen it. I solved it the first day and got +5 Karma and +5 Training Skill points for it.

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hanako

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#84 by hanako - Mar 25 2015

Yes, that's a star, it's the highest rating you can get on a case.

somestrangecircus

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#85 by somestrangecircus - Mar 25 2015

Ohhhhh. Cool!

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somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#86 by somestrangecircus - Mar 25 2015

I got this error while doing something on a case

http://i.imgur.com/NKnm9g0.jpg?1

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hanako

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#87 by hanako - Mar 25 2015

Please use the 'upload traceback' button to submit errors to Spiky so that they're properly filed in his system and he can check the line numbers.

(Also, from your screenshot, it looks like you have not used the updater to get the latest beta. Many bugs may already have been patched!)

somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#88 by somestrangecircus - Mar 25 2015

I just bought it today; I thought that would have gotten me all the patches. I'll look for the updater.

And when I tried to upload it, it asked me to install something, and when I tried to do so, I got caught in a loop where it kept giving me a similar error to the previous one.

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hanako

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#89 by hanako - Mar 25 2015

Re-uploading the entire set of three installers at 100MB+ each every single time there's a new 5K patch doesn't really work all that well; by the time I can manage to finish uploading them all we probably already have another patch written! I bump them when I can, but during beta they will tend to lag behind.

We WILL look at any errors posted here, it just saves time when people upload them because they're automatically filed.

However, if trying to upload the traceback gave you an error as well, it was probably a different error, and posting screenshots of THAT error might be useful! There are a lot of little quirks in getting all the security and encryption stuff working for the first time and we're still trying to find the snags that people are likely to run into so we can give better advice.

somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#90 by somestrangecircus - Mar 25 2015

Well, I just lost my game, so I'll have to get back to that point...If I get that error again I'll take a screenshot.

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Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#91 by somestrangecircus - Mar 25 2015

The issue seems to be having the encryption box checked at all before you have the GPG software installed. I seem able to fix it by checking "Never encrypt anything" then downloading the GPG encryption software; it installed successfully. I switched it back to encrypt. Will update if I get another error when trying to upload a traceback.

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0.9.38 changelog

#92 by Spiky Caterpillar - Mar 28 2015

* Fixed the 'lurky' crash when you Set A Trap.
* Debug messages trimmed.

somestrangecircus:
I got this error while doing something on a case

http://i.imgur.com/NKnm9g0.jpg?1

This one was fixed in 0.9.28.

silentheartsong

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#93 by silentheartsong - Mar 28 2015

Yup, I got mine all patched up. Thanks!

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.40 changelog

#94 by Spiky Caterpillar - Mar 28 2015

* Althea now has slightly fewer thumbs in one of her poses. (Also, graphic optimization.)
* Cleaner handling of attempts to upload a buggy save if you enabled encryption but did not install GnuPG. (Now gives you options to install GnuPG or skip and upload without encryption just this once.)
* A crash trying to install GnuPG on Linux is fixed. Note that installing GnuPG on Linux from inside the game will not actually *work* - at the moment, I assume Linux users probably have GnuPG installed systemwide already and would rather install it using their package manager than download a spiky binary build. If this isn't the case, someone will need to correct me.
* Althea is now less flaky if she likes you in January.
* Elsa no longer has an option to let Althea blow off initial tea on the weekend.
* A crash gossipping with one of the girls from one Shock to the System variant fixed.
* Successful gossip with overly suggestible girl from illness case should now have articles on location names.
* I suppose Gregorio shouldn't be in the names list. Until I add a moustache overlay to random students, that is.

hanako

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#95 by hanako - Mar 28 2015

For slightly more detailed Althea spoilers -

If her loyalty is high enough, Althea will no longer automatically bail out on you in the second semester. The main reason for this is that knowing ahead of time that she's a flake forces you into a single optimised gameplay path, which is less interesting than having meaningful choices, and sort of unfair to a first-time player who puts all their loyalty on Althea only to lose it.

She's still likely to ditch you. But if you built her loyalty up high enough, she won't.

This gives you multiple strategies for dealing with her - ignore her completely and let her go so you can build up the others, or put extra time and effort into her just to keep her around in semester 2?

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.42.1 changelog

#96 by Spiky Caterpillar - Apr 1 2015

* Updater changes to support updating from the demo version (not yet released) to the full version.
* Cell Phone Madness (nudes variant) should now be slightly easier to close.
* A couple of new case variants have been added. (A cheating case and a drugs case).
* Code cleanup.

skydragonwings

Re: 0.9.42.1 changelog

#97 by skydragonwings - Apr 12 2015

In a nudes variant of Cell Phone Madness, I made a culprit beg forgiveness by giving her detention, at which point her name appeared as %(target)s.

somestrangecircus

Re: 0.9.42.1 changelog

#98 by somestrangecircus - Apr 12 2015

Same thing happened to me...I took a screenshot but it's on my computer at home.

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Re: 0.9.42.1 changelog

#99 by skydragonwings - Apr 12 2015

Seems like it's pretty consistent, it happened to me again later in the game.

skydragonwings

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#100 by skydragonwings - Apr 12 2015

At the end of election week, when Mallory was already gone due to campaigning, she was wounded due to an explosion in Shock to the System. The injury still applied on Monday the next week, but both "wounded" and "campaigning" were listed as reasons for her absence. On Tuesday, the injury was gone, but she was still marked as somehow campaigning for an election that was already over, so she was unavailable. on Wednesday she was back to normal.

hanako

Re: 0.9.42.1 changelog

#101 by hanako - Apr 13 2015

Will definitely look at it when we bump next - Spiky's currently working on a THING to make the demo possible.

somestrangecircus

Re: 0.9.42.1 changelog

#102 by somestrangecircus - Apr 14 2015

If it helps, here is a screenshot. It would seem my circumstances were the same as skydragonwings.

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NG14916

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#103 by NG14916 - Apr 14 2015

When Vonne is talking to you about medical insurance, she says "the perqs of power." Unless this is a joke that I just didn't get, it should be "perks."

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Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#104 by somestrangecircus - Apr 14 2015

I think it's an alternate spelling, but yeah, that threw me at first too.

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Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#105 by Miakoda - Apr 14 2015

NG14916:
When Vonne is talking to you about medical insurance, she says "the perqs of power." Unless this is a joke that I just didn't get, it should be "perks."

Actually, perq is a proper usage of the term. Comes from the word perquisite (it is a real word, and it does mean privilege). I know in the US it is normally spelled perk, but I have seen the perq usage.

NG14916

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#106 by NG14916 - Apr 14 2015

Miakoda:
NG14916:
When Vonne is talking to you about medical insurance, she says "the perqs of power." Unless this is a joke that I just didn't get, it should be "perks."
Actually, perq is a proper usage of the term. Comes from the word perquisite (it is a real word, and it does mean privilege). I know in the US it is normally spelled perk, but I have seen the perq usage.

Are you sure? Perq shows up in Urban Dictionary, but not in the online versions of dictionary.com, Webster, or Oxford dictionary. If it's common slang in some areas then cool but I've never seen or read that being used, and I've read a lot of books. Even if it is correct, I think a lot of the readers will think it's a typo. Even Chrome and Microsoft Word put a red squiggly under it and think it's a typo.

hanako

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#107 by hanako - Apr 15 2015

Honestly? I wrote perq because I was afraid if I wrote perquisite not enough people would know what I meant, or would think I had just typoed prerequisite or something. I wanted to allude to the fancier word while still being readable.

I did check to see that it was used by some people before putting it in there, but you're right that it's not commonly considered a correct spelling.

So there's the question. Which is more likely to get complaints from confused readers, perqs or perquisites?

NG14916

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#108 by NG14916 - Apr 15 2015

hanako:
Honestly? I wrote perq because I was afraid if I wrote perquisite not enough people would know what I meant, or would think I had just typoed prerequisite or something. I wanted to allude to the fancier word while still being readable.

I did check to see that it was used by some people before putting it in there, but you're right that it's not commonly considered a correct spelling.

So there's the question. Which is more likely to get complaints from confused readers, perqs or perquisites?

In terms of complaints you're not likely to get many. I wouldn't have mentioned it myself if it wasn't in beta. But I'm guessing a lot of people will see it and get thrown off by it (very few words end in 'q' so it sticks out) but will just move on without saying anything. If they've played a game or two by you then they'll have enough faith in your writing that they'll think it might have been intentional. If it's the first game by you that they've played then they might think it was a typo. Personally, I think perk works fine even if it's not fancy enough for Vonne's speech style. The thesaurus isn't helping since I can't find any words that convey the same meaning except "bonus" or maybe "privilege" or "allowance", which aren't as fancy (though I think "allowance" would sound sort of fancy, though it's an unusual usage). "Lagniappe" would probably be less readable. If you want to use perquisite, though, I don't think that many people will be confused by it. Sure, it won't be familiar, but the context should make the meaning obvious.

Spiky Caterpillar

beta update changelog/bug reports

#109 by Spiky Caterpillar - Apr 15 2015

* The easter egg cases can now hopefully start under other circumstances than the ones they were initially unlocked in.

* Updater improvements (otherwise known as the reason there were like, a dozen alphas with very tiny version number changes.):
** When updating an .rpa, now deletes loose files that were in the .rpa.
** When updating an .rpa, now only retrieve the part of the .rpa that's actually changed. (This will enable updating from demo to full without redownloading all the music that's already in the demo.)
** A bunch of changes to the signer and the patch server to accomodate the above.
** Piles and piles of debug messages when updating.
** Crash on some HTTP errors while updating fixed.

* =~s/perqs/perquisites/
* Vonne and Mallory should return to school on the morning of April 2nd if they were campaigning and wounded by a bomb while electioneering.
* Now actually decrease Vonne's loyalty when you reject her (previously it was reporting the loyalty loss but not displaying it.)
* Fixed a crash if you failed when guarding the classroom from students setting a bomb.
* Crashes gossipping with a goth who'd been bullied or a student who'd gotten the wrong grades due to teacher error fixed.

* Interpolation fixes:
** Successfully detaining the girl who'd been posing nude should now show her name instead of %(target)s.
** Girls who return to school in the hazing variant of the secret society now have their name interpolated.
** Log entries in the easter egg variant of the goth case should interpolate the variables.
** %(star)s now interpolated correctly when you fail while questioning the bully in one of the special event cases.

* Decrufting.
* A few strings that weren't translatable now are.

FractalReaper

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#110 by FractalReaper - Apr 15 2015

I think that unless you go with the commonly known "perk" you will get reports of it being a typo regardless of which you use. However since you stated you want to use the fancier version, I think "perquisite" will have less people reporting it as a typo then "perq". Plenty of people don't know perq is a proper word. Even the spellchecker for this forum says it isn't correct. But most people I know either realize that "perquisite" is its own word or they think it is an interchangeable spelling of "prerequisite". This does mean that using "perquisite" will run the risk that people misunderstand it as "prerequisite" and will think the sentence means something else or that it's a mistake and you'll get a report anyway. Personally, I'm of the opinion that writers shouldn't have to dumb down their work and instead their audience should rise to meet it. Otherwise you get the Hollywood movie industry and I've come to expect Hanako games to be better written than that.

Darksilverhawk

Re: 0.9.43.1 changelog

#111 by Darksilverhawk - Apr 15 2015

Easter... egg... cases? Is this something I just haven't noticed?

Edit: Wait, are those the cases that show up with one of the girls sharing a name with a previous Hanako Game character? (Briony showing up as the suspect in the goth case, for example?)

NG14916

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#112 by NG14916 - Apr 15 2015

FractalReaper:
I think that unless you go with the commonly known "perk" you will get reports of it being a typo regardless of which you use. However since you stated you want to use the fancier version, I think "perquisite" will have less people reporting it as a typo then "perq". Plenty of people don't know perq is a proper word. Even the spellchecker for this forum says it isn't correct. But most people I know either realize that "perquisite" is its own word or they think it is an interchangeable spelling of "prerequisite". This does mean that using "perquisite" will run the risk that people misunderstand it as "prerequisite" and will think the sentence means something else or that it's a mistake and you'll get a report anyway. Personally, I'm of the opinion that writers shouldn't have to dumb down their work and instead their audience should rise to meet it. Otherwise you get the Hollywood movie industry and I've come to expect Hanako games to be better written than that.

Good point, I hadn't considered that people might get "perquisite" confused with "prerequisite." In that case I think "privilege" or "perk" would be best to use. It's fine to have a difficult word that readers know they need to look up or figure out from context, but it's another thing if they get the wrong idea, don't think they need to look it up, and just end up confused by the conflicting context and definition. Personally I'm leaning towards "privilege" since it sounds a little fancy while being easy to understand.

somestrangecircus

Re: 0.9.43.1 changelog

#113 by somestrangecircus - Apr 15 2015

This is the first I'm hearing as well...Is it just an extra special variant of a case?

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hanako

Re: 0.9.43.1 changelog

#114 by hanako - Apr 15 2015

There are.... things.... that Spiky wrote for fun. They are not like normal cases, and do not show up in normal case rotations.

Which means that probably no one has actually seen one.

I'll let him explain more...

skydragonwings

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#115 by skydragonwings - Apr 15 2015

I raised Althea to 45 loyalty, then expelled Thais as the traitor, causing Althea's loyalty to drop by 20 (which I maybe should have realized was a flaw in my two minions plan, unless there's a way to get that loyalty back). Her stress had apparently been at 25 just before then, because the next day both her stress and loyalty were at 25, but she wasn't on break. She then went on break the next day and had normal stress/break patterns after that.

skydragonwings

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#116 by skydragonwings - Apr 15 2015

Also, while gossiping about the steam tunnels, I just got a girl saying both "The steam tunnels? I don't know anything about those" and "I heard a rumor that there's an entrance to the steam tunnels in the lower toilets" on the same action. I do have a screenshot, but I don't know how to attach it here. I can email it to you if that would be helpful.

Spiky Caterpillar

Re: 0.9.43.1 changelog

#117 by Spiky Caterpillar - Apr 15 2015

Some of them have always been there, waiting to be unlocked. One is new, born of the stars being right and the fish being sans pril.

By default, as of 0.9.42, they can only start if you're playing on April 1 or Halloween realtime.
To allow them to start on other days, go into the debugging console (shift-O) and set

eggs=1

Note: they aren't as thoroughly tested as the other cases, and there's a possibility that they'll contain game-breaking misfeatures. Save before enabling them.[/color]

hanako

Re: 0.9.43.1 changelog

#118 by hanako - Apr 15 2015

Secondary note - please don't add hints about the WEIRD cases to the general mystery-solving pinned topic because that'll just confuse people.

HiddenFunStuff(TM) is not really part of the game. Don't mess with this if you're still trying to learn to play the actual game!

Franka

Re: 0.9.43.1 changelog

#119 by Franka - Apr 15 2015

I'm getting an error when trying to update to this version, uploaded the traceback.

Darksilverhawk

Re: 0.9.43.1 changelog

#120 by Darksilverhawk - Apr 15 2015

I got an error trying to update as well, but I closed the game and tried again and it seems to have worked. Uploaded the traceback, as well.

Spiky Caterpillar

Re: 0.9.43.1 changelog

#121 by Spiky Caterpillar - Apr 16 2015

Crashes during update complaining that 'Updater' object has no attribute 'purge_stale_loose_files_bat' (or purge_stale_loose_files), may be fixed by going into the updater and trying to update a second time.

I'm working on the IncompleteRead, cahedir, and Feedback_ (during bossfight) crashes.

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.45.4 changelog

#122 by Spiky Caterpillar - Apr 16 2015

* Gossipping with neutralized gamblers should no longer give double results.
* Althea will go on break if her loyalty falls to <= her stress when you expel Thaïs.
* Crash gossipping with one of the girls whose test results were misgraded fixed.
* A possibly-unreachable divide-by-zero in the updater is fixed.
* Updater progress bar no longer starts out with 0/-1 bytes.
* Progress bar moved to the bottom of the update window. (I like my moving progress bars, why can't I have them?)
* Patcher changes to allow updates to chmod files executable. (Relevant if ever updating the shell scripts on unices, and when updating from the demo on unices.)
* purge_stale_loose_files_bat() should no longer crash on Windows.
* debug messages trimmed.
* Now tries to cleanly handle httplib.IncompleteRead exceptions when they show up. Note that I've never seen that exception in the wild, so I don't know if my fix actually works.
* The 'cahedir' crash while trying to chmod files has been fixed.
* No longer bothers trying to chmod unix files on Windows.
* Feedback_ crash in bossfight should be fixed.
* Took out the chmod instructions in the patcher config.
* 0.9.45.3 patch.
* Put the chmod instructions back in.

The chmodding fixes make the game incompatible with its own updates. As a result, when you update the game will make you update to 0.9.45.3 first. Once you're in 0.9.45.3 you should be able to upgrade past it. This may also bypass purge_stale_loose_files-related crashes, I haven't tested though.

Franka

Re: 0.9.43.1 changelog

#123 by Franka - Apr 16 2015

Spiky Caterpillar:
Crashes during update complaining that 'Updater' object has no attribute 'purge_stale_loose_files_bat' (or purge_stale_loose_files), may be fixed by going into the updater and trying to update a second time.

I got it updated to 0.9.45.3, but sorry, but no matter how many times I try, I get an error when trying to update to 0.9.45.4

Spiky Caterpillar

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#124 by Spiky Caterpillar - Apr 16 2015

Franka (and anyone else getting 'TypeError: object of type 'int' has no len()' when updating on Windows: Try switching into alpha mode and updating to 0.9.46.2. (It should make you update to 0.9.46.1; you should then be able to update from 0.9.46.1 to 0.9.46.2.)

Franka

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#125 by Franka - Apr 16 2015

I can get it to 0.9.46.1, when upgrading to 0.9.46.2 I get an error:

Spiky Caterpillar

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#126 by Spiky Caterpillar - Apr 16 2015

Hm, there seems to be a bug in the patch signer - it seems to have left the RPA out. Try now?

Franka

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#127 by Franka - Apr 16 2015

Thank you, works now.

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.46.2 changelog

#128 by Spiky Caterpillar - Apr 16 2015

Althea's graduation scene changed slightly.
You should now actually get an 'Althea is absent due to stress' message if Althea loses loyalty because she's mad about you expelling Thaïs and the new loyalty is <= her stress.
Loading saves now limits the script locations they can jump to. (This is a prerequisite for safely transferring saves over the network.)
A crash in purge_stale_loose_files_bat fixed. (This would block updating .rpa files on Windows.) When updating, the game will make you update to 0.9.46.1 first; once you're in 0.9.46.1, you should be able to update to 0.9.46.2.

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.48.4 changelog

#129 by Spiky Caterpillar - Apr 24 2015

Big changes:
* Archive update improved. It now pulls in loose files that were moved into the archive instead of re-downloading a second copy of them; it no longer crashes if an update contains a .rpa that you didn't have an old version of. Updater crashes referencing 'catalog_contains_file', 'present', and 'purge_stale_loose_files_bat' fixed. Since the updater has changed, the game will make you update to 0.9.48.3 first to pull in the new updater code.
* The sprites have been optimized (they're now made by pasting images together, which shaves around 20 megs off the fullbuild.). Be on the lookout for seams in sprites (we haven't seen them, but.)

Other changes:
* The CGs are now archived.
* A debugging message when you dump Vonne early removed.
* When easter eggs mode is on, Mallory's birthday scene goes slightly differently; the game no longer randomly replaces weekends with plot-breaking Elf Fortress games.
* Home and End work in the debugging console.
* Ryan no longer in names list.
* Some text cleanup.
* Loading saves made at the end of the demo should work. (Not that the demo's been released yet, but...)
* Debug messages trimmed.
* Registration key entry screen prettified, handles visible keyboard better (and no longer leaves the visible keyboard up while you're downloading updates.)
* Tracebacks for crashes when loading a file now include the save.
* The scene where Rowan talks to you about her father should no longer show up if you're on her slave path.
* Couple possible debugging messages when loading a save fixed.
* Saves now omit some information that will be discarded upon load.
* When Talmage tells you to not have too much fun in Feb, she should now actually fade out.
* Presplash screen added (since the game takes a while to start)
* Slight perm cleanup.
* Detention feedback/logging in the nude photos case cleaned up.
* Added and fixed several new bugs that should only have been seen if you're using the alpha.

somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#130 by somestrangecircus - Apr 25 2015

After this patch, I'm occasionally seeing something odd in A Suspicious Similarity. The case file says every girl got the same grade, but when I question them, three of the girls will say they had the same grade and one will say they had a completely different grade. Is this a bug?

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somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#131 by somestrangecircus - Apr 25 2015

Never mind...I think I figured out what it was. Let's just say it ended up matching with the case.

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hanako

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#132 by hanako - Apr 25 2015

The case file says a large number of girls got the same grade and gives you several girls to investigate - but not necessarily every girl.

(So no, this is not a bug, it's always worked that way. In some case variants, there is an outlier, and she has her own reasons for that!

)

somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#133 by somestrangecircus - Apr 25 2015

Yeah, she certainly did! I had never gotten that particular instance before so I wasn't sure.

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somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#134 by somestrangecircus - Apr 25 2015

So um...This is happening...

Those actions on the left are my actions from the previous Friday. Uploaded traceback.

UPDATE: Also, the case from Ash Wednesday appears to be permanently stuck in my case log a month later; I tried Guarding at the event and I was successful, but the case didn't go away.

UPDATE 2: Literally two minutes after I posted that, the case solved itself.

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Spiky Caterpillar

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#135 by Spiky Caterpillar - Apr 25 2015

The 'NoneType has no attribute 'name'' crash that's keeping Ash Wednesday should be fixed in 0.9.50 (not yet up). (Presumably that's why the actions are persisting across the day boundary, because the python block stops when the crash occurs.)

silentheartsong

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#136 by silentheartsong - Apr 26 2015

I was also getting this error, and it was messing up my gameplay for a couple weeks then just kind of quietly resolved, outside of Ash Wednesday's case sitting around.

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.50 changelog

#137 by Spiky Caterpillar - Apr 26 2015

College acceptance requirements slightly tighter, and a new letter available with your acceptances.
More cleanup to detention output in the nudes case.
Rowan's extra duties stress has been twiddled slightly (though Hanako still saw a bit where she evidently didn't actually gain the stress she should have, so there's still a bug there.)
Debug messages trimmed.
Music History Classroom now uses the music room graphic.
Searching the records office in the mole case should run the right checks (we were doing two stealth instead of stealth+observation)
Searching the library in the mole case is now an overt 'Inspect' rather than 'Search'. (This change only takes effect when you unlock the library.
"NoneType has no attribute 'name'" crash in Ash Wednesday case fixed.

somestrangecircus

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#138 by somestrangecircus - Apr 26 2015

Incidentally, what affects college acceptance? I noticed that when I had a low school reputation, I only got into two or three schools, but when I had a high reputation, I got into every school. Are there any other things that affect it, like council karma?

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Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#139 by hanako - Apr 26 2015

To be more specific, there should now be a special letter arriving if you chose Packard College as your first-choice school. Please do provide feedback on this scene. I'm including it for a reason, but if it turns out to backfire more than it helps, I'll pull it.

Acceptances are affected by reputation, karma, what school you picked as your first-choice school, and what your involvement with the Red Mask Society was. (Yes, they really do have fingers in a lot of places.)

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.51 changelog:

#140 by Spiky Caterpillar - Apr 28 2015

* Rowan's extra duties should now set her last_action to 'Extra duties', which in turn should fix the bug where you: assign owan to do nothing on Friday; get the minions relax and unwind message; get the extra duties message; then get Rowan with 0 stress because she hadn't done anything Friday.
* Closing the Red Mask case by exposing them should no longer give a time bonus.
* Several gossippy students now refer to 'steam tunnels' rather than 'steamtunnels'.
* Fade from successful cavern exploration to black now slower.
* Art History classroom uses the art studio graphic.
* Minor code cleanup.
* RNG output now only logged when aggressive debugging is enabled. If RNG is being logged, now log case-choice output. (Irrelevant unless you're debugging the RNG.)
* Clicking through the pauses on a couple of Althea's CGs (making out at the lake, getting her tattoo) now fades onward more smoothly.
* Escape on log screens now goes back to the scheduler. Pageup and pagedown are now equivalent to the previous/next page buttons.
* Now has a line break before the personal letter from a Packard admissions officer if applicable.
* In the final battle, now displays lemon and sedative use more clearly.
* Rowan's slave path now has fewer events and a different epilogue if she did not get her revenge.
* A bug that might (I'm not sure if it ever could trigger) give you the wrong Rowan epilogue fixed. Rowan's and Vonne's epilogues now reflect the above change.

Spiky Caterpillar

0.9.58.1 changelog

#141 by Spiky Caterpillar - May 12 2015

Fixes:

* Support for the wide character APIs on Windows systems. (This is a surprising amount of work, as Python 2.7 nominally doesn't support it yet.) The game should now run even if there are non-ANSI characters in your username or install path. So now you can finally install it to C:\♚\ like you've always never actually wanted to.
* The game should no longer crash if Mallory confessed being the mole and you picked another queen.
* The scenes where Vonne or Mallory warn you about Talmage are now properly skippable and no longer leak invalid variables into the persistent file.
* Crash successfully detaining one of the girls distributing nudes fixed.
* A crash in Windows where the game could sometimes try to access files in ~ fixed. (I think that crash may have been introduced by the wide character support.)
* A couple minor text bugs fixed.

New features:
* There is an 'Extra controls' option in the controller settings. If turned on, this adds a bunch of nonfunctional buttons to the screen so keyboard/joystick players can more easily navigate. (This feature may have had something to do with having to stick my tablet on the Windows test machine while working on the wide character APIs as well, thus leaving my main dev box completely mouseless.) This is currently experimental; suggested improvements are welcome.
* Escape now leaves controller settings.
* Start With Console batch file added, which will enable you to get more verbose debugging output on windows.

hanako

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#142 by hanako - May 12 2015

We think (hope) this version should be ready for full launch, so please, if you can, patch up to the latest beta and have a last-minute check to be sure everything's still working okay for you.

This is not the end of all content in this game! There will be post-launch updates with new art, new cases, and other fun stuff. But we need to round things out and get the game going.

Franka

Re: Black Closet - Beta Testing / Discount Copies

#143 by Franka - May 13 2015

So, I took the girls for a final spin. I had the worst start I have ever had in the game, first off getting a Missing School Supplies case where the supplies turned up on their own, for a measly 1 skill point, then launching into a series of Cell Phone and Suspicious Similarity cases that I couldn't finish in time, peppered with a few cases that could actually be solved at this point. In spite of that, since I got Althea as the mole (discovered on day 1, yay me), I went for the win with 2 minions scenario. Abusing the usual Power Rowan strategy, I eventually got things on track, but those were stressful weeks (for Rowan).

Good to know that it can be done even when the game stacks everything it can against you from the start though!

Everything went fine, no errors and an easier final fight with Thaïs by my side rather than Althea (loaded dice of course).

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