NEW BETA UPDATE!!! Details within! - 1.3 - January 2015

hanako

NEW BETA UPDATE!!! Details within! - 1.3 - January 2015

#1 by hanako - Jan 23 2015

Our new pile of plot is now available for testing - currently to direct users only, although it will eventually roll out to Steam. To access the new content, go to Preferences, Check For Updates, and be sure to tick Enable Beta Versions.

(As of this post the beta is 1.3 - it may change as small adjustments are made.)

You will need your license key to download patches.

Please report bugs, general feedback, and things that you desperately want now that you know what new character heads you DO get. But remember that I am evil and wishes may be granted in the worst ways.

THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF IN HERE. I'm gonna try to sum up without giving away too much detail, but obviously some spoilers will by necessity be implied to guide people to testing the right things. If you want to go in blind, go for it, don't read the rest of this!

Important New Plot:

* Adair now has a face and some available conversations if you get engaged to him
* Spybard has a face, a name, and some new conversations
* You can now test the chocolates for poison. If you have the right skills.
* Refusing to duel Togami if you ARE a Lumen now has totally different events instead of a quick insta-game-over.
* There's a new checklist item
* Killing Togami in the duel now leaves a crystal
* It is possible to make Charlotte a Lumen (and for bad things to happen to her)
* You can print Lumen propaganda
* You can call your Lumen mentor to help if you have a partial success with sensing someone's magic
* You can ask your Lumen mentor about your mother's death
* It is possible to get the Everyone Loves Lumens outcome without dueling Togami (but I'm not saying how yet)
* You can send a spy to investigate Arisse
* You can ask Arisse to become your advisor
* You can get engaged to one man, dump him for another, dump him to marry a third, then divorce the third and get back together with the second
* Conversation at the party changes if Bennett has a title
* You can invite Talarist to the gala if you're engaged
* More information if you suspect Talarist of killing Adair and marry him anyway
* Marrying Banion after having Brin executed now has a unique epilogue.
* Under specific circumstances, you can marry Brin.

Minor Tweaks:

* now a NEW indicator after an outfit is unlocked (LPers keep missing them)
* lucille's journals automatically decode in epilogue if you have spybard
* skip ahead button doesn't show up on generic feedback
* first climbing check now lower
* naval battle shows a War test success/fail
* sense magic check added to 'poisoned' pillow
* elodie may now suspect that angry-Kevan knows she had Arisse bumped off
* Attend Court is now adjusted if dad is dead
* Visit Dungeon is now adjusted if Elodie's cruelty has gone up
* Suspecting Shanjia of war buildup now explains the situation better
* You can question Lucille about the Mervan assassination attempt, if you have the note and are talking to her privately
* In Depressed mood, Elodie automatically sacrifices herself to the Kraken
* You can no longer refuse Togami's duel if you are NOT a lumen
* More detail from Economics skills on several money-related issues questions
* You can no longer leave taxes the same if you have no accounting skill at all
* Lore 90 lets you know that power can be combined, to offer minionhood

Bugfixes:

* kiran gets the proper window if he rejects marrying elodie
* brin no longer sends flowers if banion dies
* missing period added to dogs 10
* wordwrap on bennett's dossier adjusted

Oki

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#2 by Oki - Jan 23 2015

I tried out a new play through and only managed to ping the Talarist stuff. To be fair, I could not get the Adair stuff! How in the world do you get Adair to die, and Talarist to have a say? Not marry him???

Talarist is SO FREAKING SMOOTH GUYS. Damien can't put down the word flow. I kind of think he'a adorable now. Still, I want to see the other side of him..kekekekeke. You all know me, I'm crazy! Love the new face for the musician, my problem is I'm now so attentive to game I kind of have trouble pissing off nobles. I even sent Adair to his grandpa this time but he didn't die. WHY?! WHY DON'T INNOCENT CHILDREN GET THEIR BLOOD ON MY HANDS??!

I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

Mir

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#3 by Mir - Jan 23 2015

I know in old versions (I can't check this one yet since I have a Steam copy) Talarist would leave Adair alone if you had accepted his proposal in week 12 and don't break off the engagement. Do you have Elodie engaged to him?

Oki

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#4 by Oki - Jan 23 2015

Mir:
I know in old versions (I can't check this one yet since I have a Steam copy) Talarist would leave Adair alone if you had accepted his proposal in week 12 and don't break off the engagement. Do you have Elodie engaged to him?

SO HE'S THE ONE WHO ALWAYS DID IT? AHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! I gotta do this now lmao

I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

Miakoda

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#5 by Miakoda - Jan 24 2015

I may be doing something wrong, but I can't get the romance with Brin to fire up at all. I can't even get her to send me flowers at all; let along try to figure out whether how to marry her. I managed to regain the territory (I paid up), and danced with her at the ball. Sometimes I get Banion asking my Elodie to dance, after I danced with Brin, though...

hanako

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#6 by hanako - Jan 24 2015

It's entirely possible that the last-minute fix to try and prevent Brin from sending flowers if Banion is dead is now accidentally preventing her from sending them at all; I haven't checked. I think I'm coming down with a fever at the moment so my own testing may be a little fuzzy.

grawr

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#7 by grawr - Jan 24 2015

There's a minor bug in the scene before the duel where the option to offer your power doesn't disappear after one failure.
I was also unable to get the flowers from Brin; though she did encourage Elodie to marry Banion.
I haven't had much time yet, though have started looking for the new achievement!
PS I'm also glad to see my guess about the duel/crystal was pretty much confirmed.

Magnificate

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#8 by Magnificate - Jan 24 2015

* You can no longer refuse Togami's duel if you are NOT a lumen

Why not?

hanako

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#9 by hanako - Jan 24 2015

I generally try to avoid 'why' questions because they tend to require either massive behind-the-scenes spoilers to explain or invite a lot of argument.

Short and intentionally incomplete answer - because it bothers me watching people LP that path and choose 'refuse' for the wrong reasons and thus miss the much more interesting outcome.

That's not the whole reason, but it's a reason.

phoenixgirl

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#10 by phoenixgirl - Jan 24 2015

Out of curiosity, I went ahead and downloaded the new beta. I like that the spybard finally has a face and I like the new scenes with Talarist at the gala. XD

I have a question. I got to the part where I refused to duel Togami even though I was a lumen and then I got the following:

Julianna says that Elodie can flee, etc. Then I get the option of either fleeing with Julianna or removing Elodie's crystal

But no matter which option I choose, I end up getting a game over (not death scene, though) scene. Is that supposed to be the case?

Please help and support me here.

hanako

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#11 by hanako - Jan 24 2015

Yes -but hopefully a more interesting one than the one which was there previously.

You might also try it with a different mentor.

Magnificate

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#12 by Magnificate - Jan 24 2015

hanako:
Short and intentionally incomplete answer - because it bothers me watching people LP that path and choose 'refuse' for the wrong reasons and thus miss the much more interesting outcome.

But! I'd say being obstinate or contrian is a valid reason to refuse Togami. ;)

Unlocked the Earthquake. I assume Togami must've lacked in divination and long-range magic detection to let Elodie get out of the castle?

Coincidentally, in the same ending Joslyn maried the cute little novitiate.

Spiky Caterpillar

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#13 by Spiky Caterpillar - Jan 24 2015

1.3.2 up. This fixes the bug where Brin's flowers wouldn't arrive, and also adds a little more detail to the conversation with Selene about hereditary magical effects

hanako

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#14 by hanako - Jan 24 2015

(Not really adding more detail so much as fixing some variants where Elodie should already know a particular detail so she doesn't foolishly ask about it anyway.)

Oki

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#15 by Oki - Jan 24 2015

Magnificate:
hanako:
Short and intentionally incomplete answer - because it bothers me watching people LP that path and choose 'refuse' for the wrong reasons and thus miss the much more interesting outcome.
But! I'd say being obstinate or contrian is a valid reason to refuse Togami. ;)

Unlocked the Earthquake. I assume Togami must've lacked in divination and long-range magic detection to let Elodie get out of the castle?

Coincidentally, in the same ending Joslyn maried the cute little novitiate.

How do I go about getting this one? Not so sure on my end. Gotten the Adair pieces, Talarist, BAHAHAHA

I LOST IT BANION TOTALLY FREAKING POISONS YOU DOESNT HEEE??? AND THATS AFTER HE GETS YOU PREGNANT OMFG

I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

hanako

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#16 by hanako - Jan 24 2015

Revenge is a dish best served on a tray, in bed, with flowers and orange juice.

If you're trying to collect ridiculous evil Elodie moments, try talking to Adair after winning the civil war.

Oki

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#17 by Oki - Jan 24 2015

hanako:
Revenge is a dish best served on a tray, in bed, with flowers and orange juice.

If you're trying to collect ridiculous evil Elodie moments, try talking to Adair after winning the civil war.

"Hit it then POISONED IT" is a new one for me. Props to Banion, I'd take a similar route.

I WILL GO DO SO. Crap, how do I anger the nobles again? Surrender province and what?

I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

Oki

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#18 by Oki - Jan 24 2015

I'm too good at this game - I cant seem to piss off the nobles. Help me? I gave away Ixion and everything, sobs

wait I got it!!! I'm too used to being nice to Kevan lol. NOW...now for Brin.

But I'm wondering what bad thing happens to Charlotte how? I got the Crystal on her but nothing else

I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

hanako

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#19 by hanako - Jan 24 2015

Make her a Lumen while not making Lumens popular.

Oki

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#20 by Oki - Jan 24 2015

hanako:
Make her a Lumen while not making Lumens popular.

Tips for that? Just no propoganda and using it publicly?

PS: For Talarist, if I suspect him but don't end the dispute over Adair's land once he's killed, is it different?

I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

hanako

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#21 by hanako - Jan 24 2015

Oki:
hanako:
Make her a Lumen while not making Lumens popular.
Tips for that? Just no propoganda and using it publicly?

The tricky bit is that winning the duel ordinarily makes Lumens popular. (It was a pretty cool heroic thing.)

To counteract that, you need to get some bad rumors started.

PS: For Talarist, if I suspect him but don't end the dispute over Adair's land once he's killed, is it different?

I don't know which variation you've gotten. There are several different ways that storyline can turn out. Describe what you've done and what happened in the end?

Oki

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#22 by Oki - Jan 24 2015

hanako:
Oki:
hanako:
Make her a Lumen while not making Lumens popular.
Tips for that? Just no propoganda and using it publicly?
The tricky bit is that winning the duel ordinarily makes Lumens popular. (It was a pretty cool heroic thing.)

To counteract that, you need to get some bad rumors started.

PS: For Talarist, if I suspect him but don't end the dispute over Adair's land once he's killed, is it different?
I don't know which variation you've gotten. There are several different ways that storyline can turn out. Describe what you've done and what happened in the end?

oH, OH, So maybe failing the lumen check earlier and letting that one guy go nutso and break out of prison will work? Or should I go even further?

Ok so in mine, I didn't want to undo the entire scenario so I had Elodie decide that Adair's realm would be under her jurisdiction until the end, leaving the talasse or other business out of it. At the end she realized Talarist had the most to gain but nothing else was ever mentioned beyond that?

I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

hanako

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#23 by hanako - Jan 24 2015

IIRC in that situation you can't actually marry Talarist (because you end up making someone else Duchess and them getting married), so you'd be missing the ending.

Oki

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#24 by Oki - Jan 25 2015

hanako:
IIRC in that situation you can't actually marry Talarist (because you end up making someone else Duchess and them getting married), so you'd be missing the ending.

But he wouldn't be too fond of me blaming Talasse either huh?

I'm oblivious with some of it. STILL AINT GOT THE CAT SHIT.

Wait, there must be an error then. Because I did get the dialogue you mentioned, but then it gives me the marrying Talarist epilogue too???

I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

hanako

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#25 by hanako - Jan 25 2015

Probably an error yes but it would still help if you could tell me EXACTLY what happened because I can't exactly guess all the bits of text that come up from just vague references!

Can you post a log?

(I cannot test today because I busted my finger horribly as mentioned on twitter. Spiky is trying to run tests for me.)

Oki

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#26 by Oki - Jan 25 2015

hanako:
Probably an error yes but it would still help if you could tell me EXACTLY what happened because I can't exactly guess all the bits of text that come up from just vague references! Can you post a log?

(I cannot test today because I busted my finger horribly as mentioned on twitter. Spiky is trying to run tests for me.)

I'll tell you exactly the decisions since I had to redo them for the correct indulgence:
Adair dies, after politefully refusing Talarist with high court manners.
-> Blame No one
-> Delay

At the end game, it gives you the intrigue check for Adair's suspicious death. and you can still choose Talarist. You get the final screen that says the entire business about Talarist marrying that other person - then it becomes Talarist marries you since you can select him I guess?

If you really need a log, I will debugger run through it real quick again (dunno if itll change it though)

I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

hanako

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#27 by hanako - Jan 25 2015

Need the log to see which epilogues exactly it gave you, since you don't know what all the variations are.

Oki

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#28 by Oki - Jan 25 2015

Uh..the log comes out to like 65k characters and I have no idea how to make it shorter but I can email it or something.

I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

hanako

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#29 by hanako - Jan 25 2015

could mail me or could dump it onto something like pastebin.com and post a link

Oki

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#30 by Oki - Jan 25 2015

http://pastebin.com/8t8TCdwW

I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

Spiky Caterpillar

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#31 by Spiky Caterpillar - Jan 25 2015

Should be fixed in alpha 1.3.3.


        elif (flags.get('week39_husband','')=='Talarist') or (flags.get('week39_wedding','')=='delay' and betrothed_to_sedna) and not talarist_married:

When it should have been:


        elif ((flags.get('week39_husband','')=='Talarist') or (flags.get('week39_wedding','')=='delay' and betrothed_to_sedna)) and not talarist_married:

Pastebin seems to have trouble with the game logs - the best way to get logs to us if they're needed in the future is probably through
http://spikycaterpillar.com/savegame-upload.html

Spiky Caterpillar

Patch 1.3.4 in beta

#32 by Spiky Caterpillar - Jan 25 2015

Assorted minor bugfixes:

You should no longer wind up marrying Talarist if you've already married him to an Elathian duchess. (in 1.3.3)

Using magic to destroy the invasion fleet no longer causes Sabine to deliver a report on chocolate-related research that she was never actually sent on (because you destroyed the chocolates)
High Lore skill no longer allows you to retry giving Togami your power indefinitely.
A certain conversation with Selene no longer causes Elodie to muse about a certain person's powers if Sabine has already given you a report on it. This fixes the bug where You could order the entire Mervan family executed, sacrifice Charlotte to seal the kraken, and then write her a letter asking if one of her parents is a Lumen.

phoenixgirl

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#33 by phoenixgirl - Jan 25 2015

Coolies. I got the earthquake achievement as well. It really helps

to have Selene as my lumen mentor and to raise certain skills

In this playthrough, I

raised my lumen and faith skills to the max so I got the conversation with Selene and Elodie muses that someone in Charlotte's family might be a lumen so Elodie is going to write to Charlotte and have her visit the castle. But then nothing happens after that.

Is that supposed to be the case?

Please help and support me here.

hanako

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#34 by hanako - Jan 25 2015

Depends on when you wrote her that latter. If it was before the gala it's supposed to affect the gala. If it's later in the game then no, nothing comes of it, and Elodie's a little too busy to follow up.

GSN22

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#35 by GSN22 - Jan 26 2015

Oh yeah one question about the beta- did they fix it so Brin can be romanced more easily now?

I remember before, two versions ago, that you had to a certain random thing (that might conflict with the ending you want) in order to get her to become romanceable. (it's been years since I've played so not entirely certain)

bookworm37

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#36 by bookworm37 - Jan 26 2015

So....maybe I'm an idiot, but I can't seem to find the 'Check for Updates' button anywhere. I clicked on Preferences, but it's not there. And I'm not opening the Steam version (I have both versions of the game).

hanako

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#37 by hanako - Jan 26 2015

GSN22:
Oh yeah one question about the

Try it and see. This is a testing thread.

Try things, see what happens, report back!

bookworm37:
So....maybe I'm an idiot, but I can't seem to find the 'Check for Updates' button anywhere. I clicked on Preferences, but it's not there. And I'm not opening the Steam version (I have both versions of the game).

With some versions, iirc, the Steam's preferences can end up overriding the old preferences, since the data is saved in the same location. Caution potentially dangerous advice: It may help to find your savegame folder (location varies by OS) and delete or rename your 'persistent' file. That will wipe out information like what lines you've seen before and what your options are set to.

However, as we're releasing content into beta on Steam now as well, you may find it a safer and simpler option to use the Steam version and opt into the beta. To do that, right-click on the game in your library and select Properties. That should bring up a box with various options tabs, one of which says 'Betas'. On there, you'll see a list of options you can choose from - select "beta" and it should patch up to the new test content.

bookworm37

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#38 by bookworm37 - Jan 26 2015

hanako:

bookworm37:
So....maybe I'm an idiot, but I can't seem to find the 'Check for Updates' button anywhere. I clicked on Preferences, but it's not there. And I'm not opening the Steam version (I have both versions of the game).
With some versions, iirc, the Steam's preferences can end up overriding the old preferences, since the data is saved in the same location. Caution potentially dangerous advice: It may help to find your savegame folder (location varies by OS) and delete or rename your 'persistent' file. That will wipe out information like what lines you've seen before and what your options are set to.

However, as we're releasing content into beta on Steam now as well, you may find it a safer and simpler option to use the Steam version and opt into the beta. To do that, right-click on the game in your library and select Properties. That should bring up a box with various options tabs, one of which says 'Betas'. On there, you'll see a list of options you can choose from - select "beta" and it should patch up to the new test content.

Thank you so much!

GSN22

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#39 by GSN22 - Jan 26 2015

I'd like to try it but, not really too into betas.

Two versions ago you had a specific, very random choice that had nothing to do with Brin in order to get her to be romanceable.

As long as you're nice to her and her brother, and you dance with her, that should be the minimum to romance her, imo.

hanako

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#40 by hanako - Jan 26 2015

Your memory is incomplete - it was never exactly like that.

However, if you're not taking part in the testing, then you'll just have to wait to discuss things until everyone else has already done them. Feedback on something you think you vaguely remember from more than thirty patches ago is not helpful. ;)

---

So, has anyone managed to find the Brin marriage, or have any guesses about where it might be, remembering that I'm a horrible person?

GSN22

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#41 by GSN22 - Jan 26 2015

Actually maybe I will try the Beta.

So... am I direct user? How do I get the Beta anyway? I own this and several other Hanako games so I think that qualifies me.

hanako

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#42 by hanako - Jan 26 2015

If you go to the preferences screen there should be an option to check for updates (the exact layout has sometimes been altered from version to version, so it's hard to say exactly where). If you enable beta versions you should be able to see the 1.3 stuff. You'll need your license key to download with.

It's possible that a really old version might have trouble updating that far, or that you might have lost your license key in the meantime. If so, if you forward me your receipt email I can generate a new download link with a more recent installer. The current installer won't have the beta content in it, but it'll be much further along so patching up will be easier, and the download email would also contain the license key.

GSN22

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#43 by GSN22 - Jan 27 2015

Thanks! One question though... How do I clear out my old data so I can reset my achievements to zero? (I updated it but it includes all my old achievements)

[off-topic edited - this is a testing thread, not a requests thread!]

hanako

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#44 by hanako - Jan 27 2015

If you navigate to your savegame directory and clear out your old saves and/or persistent file, the checklist should go back to blank.

That won't unset Steam achievements (I know, you're not on Steam, but this information may be useful to others.) Steam really doesn't like people deleting their achievements so there's no game way to do that.

hanako

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#45 by hanako - Jan 27 2015

hanako:

So, has anyone managed to find the Brin marriage, or have any guesses about where it might be, remembering that I'm a horrible person?

Second question - has anyone attempted to flirt with Sabine?

Miakoda

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#46 by Miakoda - Jan 27 2015

hanako:
hanako:

So, has anyone managed to find the Brin marriage, or have any guesses about where it might be, remembering that I'm a horrible person?
Second question - has anyone attempted to flirt with Sabine?

I haven't found the marriage. I wonder if it has something to do with making her a commoner.

As for Sabine, I did like the minstrel's response...

hanako

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#47 by hanako - Jan 27 2015

Nope, not commoner-related.

Miakoda

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#48 by Miakoda - Jan 28 2015

hanako:
Nope, not commoner-related.

Well, I will give it another go, but I think I've played the game too often that I'm missing where the option would surface.

hanako

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#49 by hanako - Jan 28 2015

Hint: A royal marriage has two main purposes, alliances and the production of heirs. But what if she couldn't produce an heir?

Miakoda

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#50 by Miakoda - Jan 28 2015

hanako:
Hint: A royal marriage has two main purposes, alliances and the production of heirs. But what if she couldn't produce an heir?

Oh, gotcha now...I know the track to go down ^_^ (I won't spoil it for others, but I know the specific sequence you are talking of)

Cherie0

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#51 by Cherie0 - Jan 28 2015

hanako:

Second question - has anyone attempted to flirt with Sabine?

You can do that? I certainly must have failed a check somewhere. I wasn't looking hard enough at the floating checks, which means I have to do another playthrough, to get to interact with her sweet visage.

On another note, Adair is incredibly cute! For some reason, I used to imagine he'd be a blonde.

So far, I've completed one playthrough with this new version, and got right to an end without any crashes (if the game is supposed to break).

I also like that you can have 4 lumens (dispatch messenger) even if you don't pick Julianna. While I like them both, I tend to prefer Selene. In part, she kind of treats you more as an equal, than as a child, which you get that feeling when you go for Julianna's route as your tutor. And her practical deviousness is also a nice touch, plus she comes across as more chatty, while Julianna withholds more (I might be a tad rusty on Julianna's conversation routes, as it's been awhile).

phoenixgirl

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#52 by phoenixgirl - Jan 28 2015

hanako:
hanako:

So, has anyone managed to find the Brin marriage, or have any guesses about where it might be, remembering that I'm a horrible person?
Second question - has anyone attempted to flirt with Sabine?

Ok, I got the option to flirt with her but when I chose suggest romance, Sabine rejects it. Is there another skill check I need to pass?

Please help and support me here.

hanako

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#53 by hanako - Jan 28 2015

Is there another skill check I need to pass?

Nah, attempting is as far as it gets. Just wanted to see if some people were finding that scene.

So far, I've completed one playthrough with this new version, and got right to an end without any crashes (if the game is supposed to break).

Well, I don't expect it to break.

Given the complicated web of interrelationships what I'm most concerned about is variables getting messed up and plots triggering when they shouldn't or not triggering when they should, like when we broke Brin's romance in that version. (Or someone really hating - or not understanding - a text addition which might then need adjusting.)

I am still pondering adding a tiny bit more communication from Brin somewhere, but her grumpy facial expression does tend to make it hard to trade sweet nothings with her.

Cherie0

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#54 by Cherie0 - Jan 28 2015

hanako:
I am still pondering adding a tiny bit more communication from Brin somewhere, but her grumpy facial expression does tend to make it hard to trade sweet nothings with her.

Put that in!

Kidding aside, thanks for all your work on this update. I'll check in again should I come across any plot anomalies in any playthroughs.

phoenixgirl

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#55 by phoenixgirl - Jan 28 2015

On getting Arisse to become an advisor, is that possible to do so without triggering the civil war? I have a possible guess on how to do this if that's the case.

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hanako

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#56 by hanako - Jan 28 2015

In the old way the only way to get her as an advisor was as a compromise to end the civil war at the negotiation stage, after she'd already declared against Elodie.

If you get the new option to invite her to become your advisor (and she accepts), then civil war will never actually be declared.

phoenixgirl

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#57 by phoenixgirl - Jan 29 2015

So I'm still trying to find a way to get Arisse to become my advisor. Does this happen during Gwenelle's birthday party or at the gala? Or does it have to do with the gift that Arisse sends Elodie? I haven't been able to trigger this yet.

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GSN22

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#58 by GSN22 - Jan 29 2015

I'll probably buy this game on Steam. Since I want to start from Square Zero I may as well may get some fancy internet medals for all my trouble. ;)

Mir

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#59 by Mir - Jan 29 2015

phoenixgirl:
So I'm still trying to find a way to get Arisse to become my advisor. Does this happen during Gwenelle's birthday party or at the gala? Or does it have to do with the gift that Arisse sends Elodie? I haven't been able to trigger this yet.

How I got that rolling was to have my agents be on the lookout for noble plots, send Adair to Armand (though I'm sure Erwin would work too...), and recruit Sabine. I also had pretty low noble approval since I blew basically every skill check at the ball.

I got the new achievement the other day and it was pretty intense. :O Really impressed with the whole scene.

phoenixgirl

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#60 by phoenixgirl - Jan 29 2015

Mir:
phoenixgirl:
So I'm still trying to find a way to get Arisse to become my advisor. Does this happen during Gwenelle's birthday party or at the gala? Or does it have to do with the gift that Arisse sends Elodie? I haven't been able to trigger this yet.
How I got that rolling was to have my agents be on the lookout for noble plots, send Adair to Armand (though I'm sure Erwin would work too...), and recruit Sabine. I also had pretty low noble approval since I blew basically every skill check at the ball.

I got the new achievement the other day and it was pretty intense. :O Really impressed with the whole scene.

Ok, I did all of that but yet I didn't get anything about being able to recruit Arisse so it's making me wonder if it happens at Gwenelle's party. If that's the case, then probably my noble approval wasn't too low. When I sent Sabine to investigate Arisse, Sabine reported that Arisse was upset since I had sent Adair to Armand so she wouldn't necessarily get the support from other nobles to start a civil war.

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hanako

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#61 by hanako - Jan 29 2015

Your guesses are correct - it does happen at the party, and your noble approval wasn't low enough.

Which reveals something that may not have been obvious - sometimes, when Arisse is sending out feelers, she's just pissed about Adair and there isn't necessarily going to be a civil war. Now, how many of you feel guilty about assassinating her?

GSN22

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#62 by GSN22 - Jan 30 2015

So when does the beta end and the final patch come through?

hanako

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#63 by hanako - Jan 30 2015

Well, there wouldn't be a final patch coming through after the beta, the point of the beta is to decide when the current patch is good enough to go ahead with.

So beta will end when a patch has been available for a while and people have been playtesting it and reporting back and no obvious bugs need fixing and I don't have a deep desire to add anything else.

If we add new things and no one comments on them then beta has to last much longer.

Cherie0

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#64 by Cherie0 - Jan 30 2015

That reminds me. At the front page, this is mentioned as one of the additions.

*lucille's journals automatically decode in epilogue if you have spybard.

However, I never got it during the epilogue on that playthrough, and I have spybard hired. Granted I signed the orders for her(Lucille) and Laurent's execution. Is there something else I need to get the journals decoded?

hanako

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#65 by hanako - Jan 30 2015

IIRC there was a specific epilogue that would come up if you killed Lucille at the ball, in which the resolution of the epilogue depended on whether Elodie's Ciphering skills were high enough to read the journals found in Lucille's effects.

However, if Sabine goes to investigate Lucille, she normally refers to finding and deciphering journals during her spy trip. It was pointed out that therefore if you got that specific epilogue and had Sabine as a spy, she ought to be able to do the decoding.

Mir

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#66 by Mir - Jan 31 2015

hanako:
* More information if you suspect Talarist of killing Adair and marry him anyway

Is this a new epilogue window or only the clarification in week thirty-nine that he was too young to bump off Adair's grandmother and aunt but almost certainly killed Adair?

hanako

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#67 by hanako - Jan 31 2015

There should be a different epilogue screen if:
- Adair was assassinated
- Elodie appointed someone else Duke of Elath
- Talarist tried to invade
- Elodie is suspicious of Talarist on Week 39
- After all that, Elodie picks Talarist as her intended husband

(Said epilogue window actually has two variations based on Elodie's Cruelty score at the time.)

Atallel

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#68 by Atallel - Jan 31 2015

I've been playing the beta (and loving it!) but I noticed that the music sometimes now stops for a second when you click too fast from the main gameplay window to the action/tutoring/anything other than the main Elodie screen. I know it did that on occasion before I updated, but the frequency of the little music glitches have definitely increased. I'm not 100% sure it's related, but I figured I'd mention it?

Mir

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#69 by Mir - Feb 1 2015

hanako:
There should be a different epilogue screen if:
- Adair was assassinated
- Elodie appointed someone else Duke of Elath
- Talarist tried to invade
- Elodie is suspicious of Talarist on Week 39
- After all that, Elodie picks Talarist as her intended husband

(Said epilogue window actually has two variations based on Elodie's Cruelty score at the time.)

I see! For some reason, I tried every option but naming a Novan heir. It's working now. /o/

He's so full of it. There's no way he wasn't involved in Adair's death. :p But I'm laughing really hard at picturing Talarist describe himself as "an opportunist, not an assassin."

phoenixgirl

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#70 by phoenixgirl - Feb 1 2015

I'm not sure if this is something that has always happened when I played LLTQ or if this is something that's changed since the beta but I noticed this recently.

On some playthroughs, the weekend after Gwenelle's party, Elodie will receive the gift from Arisse but on other playthroughs, she won't. This is assuming that I didn't get low enough noble approval to have a civil war and all. I'm wondering if there are certain factors that influence whether Elodie will receive that gift or not.

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hanako

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#71 by hanako - Feb 1 2015

It's a lower-priority event, so if more important things need to happen to resolve other plotlines, that gets pushed aside. (You could possibly assume that the pillow arrives anyway, offscreen, and just wasn't worth mentioning.)

Let's see, other weird things to check...

Has anyone managed to divorce Thaddeus for Banion?
Has anyone gotten Elodie to poison a chicken?

Atallel

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#72 by Atallel - Feb 1 2015

I haven't been able to do most of the marraige-to-dudes stuff, but I did poison a chicken!

In general I like the new, chocolate related stuff a lot - it feels like something an intrigue-oriented Elodie would actually do. I do wonder what the actual level of intrigue you have to have is, so I might test that soon!

In other news, after three runs of trial and error, I finally got the Brin marriage! It's so cute! Although the fact that you appointed Charlotte heir is a little worrying, considering Lucille . . . but maybe she'll be happy now that she's inheriting through legitimate means? Going for the Earthquake checklist item next. I have a fairly solid idea of how to get it, too.

Mir

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#73 by Mir - Feb 1 2015

After having her marry him after executing Brin, I think I'll be keeping Elodie far away from Banion for quite some time.

I'm assuming the chicken has to do with the chocolates, since a cruel Elodie mentioned testing them out on animals before dismissing the idea as unreliable? (I gotta say, some of these new cruel dialogues are hilarious. Was a cruel Elodie always pumped to take her Lumen Crystal after the "drastic action" or is that new? That's my favorite.)

I got the new information at Gwenelle's party, though. Bennett was completely different than what I pictured! :O I know Gwenelle's not a super-important character, but I liked getting more background on her family life (and more context about what's going on between the siblings of Southern Nova). I also enjoyed the new options on week twenty, though I've only done it with one tutor so far.

I do have a question: is Briony sending Elodie a ciphered note if you sent her home during a civil war a bug? I never thought it was strange at all, but I came across some post that made me think it wasn't supposed to happen. If it is, I can double check to see if it's still happening in this new patch.

hanako

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#74 by hanako - Feb 1 2015

I don't think she should be sending you that helpful ciphered note if there was a civil war, no.

Mir

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#75 by Mir - Feb 1 2015

Just gave it a check. If she sends Briony home as a gesture of goodwill, Elodie receives the letter after defeating the rebels.

phoenixgirl

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#76 by phoenixgirl - Feb 2 2015

I went through the game again and got the conversation with Bennett at Gwenelle's party. ^^ I found a minor bug, though. During my playthrough, I made Brin a commoner so Bennett became Duke of Hellas. During the gala, I ordered for Banion's execution and so his title would pass on to Bennett as well. However, when I got to Gwenelle's party, Bennett was only titled as Duke of Hellas so I think it should be both Duke of Maree and Hellas.

Also, when I chose who Elodie would think of marrying, I chose Anciet but during the epilogue, it says that Elodie was disinclined to marry. I don't think that's supposed to happen unless I chose not to marry anyone, which wasn't the case.

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grawr

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#77 by grawr - Feb 2 2015

Another minor bug which could be hand-waved away: If Elodie doesn't appoint anyone to rule Elath, and reach the compromise where Elodie raises a commoner and have them marry Talarist, she can still marry Talarist. Of course you could say Talarist eventually divorced the new noble or something like that, though nothing to that effect is mentioned.

birdcop

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#78 by birdcop - Feb 2 2015

Only just noticed the 'triggered an earthquake' achievement, is this new to the patch?

Coming up blank on how to complete it, though...

hanako

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#79 by hanako - Feb 2 2015

grawr:
Another minor bug which could be hand-waved away: If Elodie doesn't appoint anyone to rule Elath, and reach the compromise where Elodie raises a commoner and have them marry Talarist, she can still marry Talarist. Of course you could say Talarist eventually divorced the new noble or something like that, though nothing to that effect is mentioned.

Which exact version are you using? Because this has been patched but if you're still in the very first beta patch it wouldn't have been. We need to know whether you're behind in versions or whether we have to check that route again.

hanako

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#80 by hanako - Feb 2 2015

phoenixgirl:
I went through the game again and got the conversation with Bennett at Gwenelle's party. ^^ I found a minor bug, though. During my playthrough, I made Brin a commoner so Bennett became Duke of Hellas. During the gala, I ordered for Banion's execution and so his title would pass on to Bennett as well. However, when I got to Gwenelle's party, Bennett was only titled as Duke of Hellas so I think it should be both Duke of Maree and Hellas.

Check your log? What it should say at the gala is that Banion's title passes to the offspring of his brother Bennett. Novan law doesn't allow him to hold two Dukedoms in his own name.

It's definitely written in the script and someone asked this before, so I'm not sure if the right line isn't coming up or if people simply don't remember it.

Also, when I chose who Elodie would think of marrying, I chose Anciet but during the epilogue, it says that Elodie was disinclined to marry. I don't think that's supposed to happen unless I chose not to marry anyone, which wasn't the case.

Getting Anciet's marriage ending has extra requirements, and since you couldn't actually propose to him while he was only 8, you don't get a rejection window either, the relationship just doesn't happen from the beginning.

phoenixgirl

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#81 by phoenixgirl - Feb 2 2015

Ahh ok. Turns out that I did misread that line about the title going to Bennett's offspring. XD

I'm curious to know what the extra requirements for marriage to Anciet are. I've always gotten it before so I was a bit surprised that I didn't for this particular playthrough. Then again, I did make Elodie a bit cruel by ordering Banion's execution and making Brin a commoner, although I was nice on everything else. XD

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hanako

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#82 by hanako - Feb 2 2015

Anciet only likes nice, sweet, non-cruel girls!

Ariel Schnee

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#83 by Ariel Schnee - Feb 2 2015

Can somepony give me a step by step list on how to marry Brin now?

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(Dead link removed)

grawr

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#84 by grawr - Feb 2 2015

hanako:
grawr:
Another minor bug which could be hand-waved away: If Elodie doesn't appoint anyone to rule Elath, and reach the compromise where Elodie raises a commoner and have them marry Talarist, she can still marry Talarist. Of course you could say Talarist eventually divorced the new noble or something like that, though nothing to that effect is mentioned.
Which exact version are you using? Because this has been patched but if you're still in the very first beta patch it wouldn't have been. We need to know whether you're behind in versions or whether we have to check that route again.

Augh, sorry; I'm on 1.3.2. I'll verify it's not on 1.3.4. Upgrading did fix this issue

phoenixgirl

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#85 by phoenixgirl - Feb 3 2015

I'm not sure if this is a bug or not but just in case. XD

I went through another playthrough and this time, I chose to send Adair to his grandfather so he got assassinated, of course. I had enough foreign intelligence to figure out that Talasse might have had a hand in it so I blamed them and then I chose the option to delay naming an heir to Elath. Basically, I leveled up my foreign intelligence to the max and then during week 39, when I chose a potential husband, I chose Talarist, despite knowing that he might have had a hand in the whole assassination scheme. However, during the epilogue, I got the window where Elodie decided on a compromise to name a local administrator Duchess of Elath and then Talarist married the duchess. I don't know if that's supposed to end up happening, and I have the latest beta update and all that.

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hanako

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#86 by hanako - Feb 3 2015

Yes, that's supposed to happen, that resolution takes precedence over Elodie marrying him herself. To get the special epilogue for marrying him in this case you need to name a Novan heir instead of delaying.

Mir

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#87 by Mir - Feb 7 2015

Edit: Whoops, no reason to talk about stuff that can only happen through illegitimate means. Disregard!

I'm still getting Sailor Briony even after not knowing enough to catch Briony's attention at the party. But it happened after I won a civil war. Is the implication that Briony wasn't able to sneak off from school during the war, or is it a bug that needs to be reported?

hanako

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#88 by hanako - Feb 7 2015

What the actual [expletive], Talarist.

... wait, you actually got that outcome? That's been programmed in for a long time but I thought it wasn't possible to reach it without cheating. (It even has an extra addendum if you have high Cruelty.)

Don't suppose you have a log/save that led to that epilogue? I should check that. I thought it couldn't happen because if you-know-who is around to poison you, then you don't get to choose who you want to marry, so you can't pick him.

(Similar issue with Briony - we'll check it again but it may help if you have a save.)

Mir

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#89 by Mir - Feb 7 2015

..Oh, uh, no, no I didn't. I came across a log of changes while searching for something else about the game and couldn't resist taking a peak at a few things, though I held off on looking at most of them. >_> I'm sorry. I was about to test it out, since I couldn't think of why it would be impossible, but I remembered Lucille will talk you out of marriage completely if you're not already engaged. So... Sorry about that.

If it's impossible, I should probably delete that part of my post. It's interesting to know for character reasons, though!

hanako

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#90 by hanako - Feb 7 2015

He totally would in that situation.

As I recall, I wrote it, then realised it couldn't happen, then left it in the code anyway because it amused me and there was always the chance it would someday become possible.

Speaking of, someone on steam forums has convinced me to take a stab at making a different set of currently-impossible scenes available, which is what I'm fooling with today, so there may soon be another small patch.

Mir

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#91 by Mir - Feb 7 2015

I can buy it 100%, which is why I'm surprised that I'm so floored by it all. The more I learn about him, the more I just boggle that he and Elodie can apparently have a happy life together in one route. How long was that long courtship of theirs?

Mir

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#92 by Mir - Feb 12 2015

OH RIGHT I WAS SUPPOSED TO SHARE A LOG

I uploaded the save to SpikyCaterpillar's site (undeadbriony.txt). If there's a problem with that file, here's another link to it.

hanako

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#93 by hanako - Feb 12 2015

Thanks! Yeah, it turns out she is supposed to survive in at least some circumstances if civil war broke out. (I don't remember why I decided that, but we have a written note to that effect somewhere. I assume either she can't manage to sneak out because security goes up when tensions go higher, or she runs into someone, hears the news, and goes back to find out what's going on with her family. I don't remember!)

Spiky Caterpillar

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#94 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 12 2015

Changes since 1.3.8:
Fixed a minor bug where a certain person's dossier wouldn't show their secret if you'd gone off on a tangent after discovering said secret.

Added a new plot thread at the end of the ball. For best results, you'll want to pick it up from a save made before the parade as it may check a flag that didn't exist in 0.3.8.

If Elodie'd previously retracted an accusation of attempted murder, she will no longer act as if she believes that accusation was true in the endgame.

A couple spots where the current mood indicator was not updating in a timely fashion fixed - (Sending Julianna away - also, Elodie will now find a keythong eating people to be immediately depressing.)

Charlotte's title and her and Lucille's info pages should now correctly reflect some in-game events.

You can no longer execute a certain noble twice.

There is now a little (NEW) indicator by the newest save, because I was being annoyed by the absence thereof.

If an error occurs saving your license key during an update, now pops up an error message instead of crashing the game. If you get errors with some variation on "IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Long Live The Queen/game/saves\\licensekey.txt'", please contact me and tell me how you got the game to think the save directory was under Program Files, as I think that particular bug might have something to do with the problem synchronizing achievements on some non-English Windows installs.

A stray flag was cleaned up.

Also, various bugs introduced in 1.3.9 and 1.3.10 are fixed, but they won't matter unless you were poking at the alpha.

hanako

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#95 by hanako - Feb 12 2015

Light spoilery explanation of the new plot thread:
It is now possible for Elodie to decide that Laurent is trying to murder her even without the smoking gun of a note indicating the assassin was from Merva. For this to happen, there must be an assassination attempt at the parade, and Elodie must have other reasons to suspect her relatives.

The end result of this is that it's now possible to execute or imprison Laurent even if you are not a Lumen, which means it's possible to have some different scenes with Charlotte near the very end of the game.

This is tricky to pull off; if people need help I can give more clues.

hanako

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#96 by hanako - Feb 14 2015

Latest beta patch adds extra handling for controllers and touchscreens, as well as a new 'Show Tooltips' option on weekend events that displays all the tooltips at once. This is mostly for touchscreen users because they can't mouse over buttons, so it's a little kludgy looking still.

Feedback welcome!

Oki

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#97 by Oki - Feb 14 2015

Mir:
..Oh, uh, no, no I didn't. I came across a log of changes while searching for something else about the game and couldn't resist taking a peak at a few things, though I held off on looking at most of them. >_> I'm sorry. I was about to test it out, since I couldn't think of why it would be impossible, but I remembered Lucille will talk you out of marriage completely if you're not already engaged. So... Sorry about that.

If it's impossible, I should probably delete that part of my post. It's interesting to know for character reasons, though!

Noooo please tell me I want to know ;__;

I've been here so long even Hanako is sick of me

ncfan

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#98 by ncfan - Feb 15 2015

I'm loving the new details in the updated version (I like that Adair has a face now, and Sabine is so pretty). I just have one question: The woman Joslyn marries in the earthquake ending, does she have a name or a sprite? It's not very urgent; I'm just curious.

hanako

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#99 by hanako - Feb 16 2015

She's no one that has ever been named anywhere in the game.

In other words, it's definitely not Selene or Sirin or Elsbeth or anyone like that. Mysterious...

ncfan

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#100 by ncfan - Feb 16 2015

hanako:
She's no one that has ever been named anywhere in the game.

In other words, it's definitely not Selene or Sirin or Elsbeth or anyone like that. Mysterious...

*Laughs* Thank you. I just figured he'd gotten hitched to somebody who had the right sort of education to help out with that mess.

Mir

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#101 by Mir - Feb 16 2015

hanako:
Thanks! Yeah, it turns out she is supposed to survive in at least some circumstances if civil war broke out. (I don't remember why I decided that, but we have a written note to that effect somewhere. I assume either she can't manage to sneak out because security goes up when tensions go higher, or she runs into someone, hears the news, and goes back to find out what's going on with her family. I don't remember!)

Makes sense. I just wanted to point it out just in case it was a bug.

I managed to ping most of the Laurent stuff (was too depressed to follow up on the chocolates) and holy cow, my heart. ;_; Even the stuff where he's just in prison is upsetting enough. ....I had to laugh at how fast Lucille turned on him, though. I'm a bad person.

hanako

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#102 by hanako - Feb 18 2015

So currently, the only achievement intended to be added is the Earthquake one.

Should we throw more in, to encourage people to find the new content?

If so, what scenes do you think are sufficiently worthy of achievement status?

phoenixgirl

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#103 by phoenixgirl - Feb 18 2015

I think it'd be a good idea to add in more achievements if that's possible. It would certainly encourage me to play more.

The only one I can think of right now is falsely imprisoning someone for attempted poison since we know that it's Lucille, not Laurent who tries to kill Elodie.

BTW, has anyone figured out how to get the "Everybody Loves Lumens" result without battling Togami?

Please help and support me here.

Mir

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#104 by Mir - Feb 18 2015

Forty fills up the pages nicely, but I'm game for more. Hmmm...

Have you...

Gotten married to a woman? (Could be too similar to flowers one, but the events leading up to it are more involved)
Brought a guest to the gala?
Been engaged to three different men before coronation?
Fought alongside your mentor?
Lost territory to a foreign country? (Or does that predate the new content? Edit: Besides Imbrium, I mean, though there's no reason that wouldn't trigger the achievement too, I guess.)

I've gotten the positive Lumen outcome before (with the Kraken ending). I think there are two, maybe three events that play into it? It's satisfying to have the option to marry Selene in more than one route. : D

Darksilverhawk

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#105 by Darksilverhawk - Feb 18 2015

I was delighted to see another content patch for this game! Well on my way through exploring it right now. Love the new character portraits and added conversations, but the thing that probably made me jump for joy the most was that Elodie actually tells you know if you if she thinks you can afford to lower taxes now. Those numbers never meant anything significant to me before so I always just guessed.

My only critique is that the "NEW" text on the outfit select is a little obnoxious and out of place, but since it goes away after one week I can live with it.

Did find a bug, though. The "New" indicator on the saves is showing a random save from before the last update as being the newest, rather than my actual most recent save. It's not even connecting it to the most recent pre-update save- it's just a random save file. I've currently got the direct version installed and running, though I've used the Steam version on this machine in the past and I think that might be when that save file it has deemed "new" had been made (though there are also more recent saves from that same session).

Have you...
Refused a magical duel? (or)
Been forced to flee your throne? (I've always thought it kinda odd there was no achievement or anything for being forced out of power but surviving, whether by civil war, Togami, or commoner revolt.)
Had your first kiss?

hanako

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#106 by hanako - Feb 18 2015

The kraken ending should make the happy lumen outcome unreachable, actually - krakens kind of freak people out. It *should* be the naval battle that allows for the happy lumen outcome.

Mir

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#107 by Mir - Feb 18 2015

I didn't have high enough Lumen to completely decimate the fleet (and only two partners), so part of the battle was the actual naval battle. I guess everyone was so impressed with me leading the fleet to victory through skill that they were willing to overlook the sea monster eating people and draining our treasury. XD

ncfan

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#108 by ncfan - Feb 20 2015

hanako:
So currently, the only achievement intended to be added is the Earthquake one.

Should we throw more in, to encourage people to find the new content?

If so, what scenes do you think are sufficiently worthy of achievement status?

I don't know if it counts, since it just shows up in the epilogue, but maybe we could have a 'Made Charlotte a Lumen' achievement.

Mir

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#109 by Mir - Feb 20 2015

Mir:
I didn't have high enough Lumen to completely decimate the fleet (and only two partners), so part of the battle was the actual naval battle. I guess everyone was so impressed with me leading the fleet to victory through skill that they were willing to overlook the sea monster eating people and draining our treasury. XD

Wait, it just occurred to me - would you like a log of what happened?
Edit: On second glance, saying that Kraken ending is what I got isn't completely accurate. The game registered it as the Naval Battle ending in the epilogue, no mention of the Kraken past week 38. So....my mistake. I'll submit it as navalkraken.txt to Spiky Caterpillar's site if you all still want to give it a closer look.

chris the cynic

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#110 by chris the cynic - Feb 20 2015

phoenixgirl:
BTW, has anyone figured out how to get the "Everybody Loves Lumens" result without battling Togami?

Yeah, I got it.

I tried to combine various PR things before I hit on winning the naval battle as what was needed for the pro-Lumen propaganda to take hold.

So, for example, I had a run where I:
Had Julianna save Elodie from the snake because I figured only public Lumen saving the popular queen might help.
Elodie wore the magical girl costume to public events
The propaganda was printed
Lucille and the murderer get away with their crimes, thus there's a lack of example of bad Novan Lumen.
Lucille is appointed Lumen Minister so there's another thing (beyond propaganda, Elodie associating with Julianna, and the clothes thing) linking Elodie to support of Lumen
and ... I don't know, every random thing I could think of even if I was sure it wouldn't have an impact (I very much doubt the game checks if you're wearing the magical girl outfit at a public event.)

But I was losing the Naval battle in those runs (and making Elodie non-evil) so the non-dual options were die, bravely run away, save the world with song, or shatter the earth and none lead to happy times for Lumen.

Stealing Commas

Spiky Caterpillar

1.3.14 changelog

#111 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 20 2015

(From 1.3.13)

Raising the kraken now actually prevents the public opinion of Lumens from rising to great heights.

Load/save will now show the current page number if you're on a page greater than 13.

Saving the game will now update the newest-save indicator. (Previously, it only checked for the newest save at the time you started the game). Darksilverhawk - I couldn't reproduce your bug exactly; if the newest-save indicator is still misplaced in 1.3.14, can you double-check the dates on your saves and see if there's anything odd? I'm sorting by modification time; if your computer clock was misset or you've got some app that modifies the contents of zipfiles (LLtQ saves are zips containing a python pickle) running, that could scramble sorting.

Elodie no longer tries to move troops west if she's fortifying against Talasse.

Also some cleanup to the controller code - fewer debug messages, a debugger-configurable stick dead zone.

Darksilverhawk

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#112 by Darksilverhawk - Feb 21 2015

The save bug seems to be fixed in the new version.

Ariel Schnee

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#113 by Ariel Schnee - Feb 21 2015

How do I get Elodie to commit suicide now?

I have tried, and tried, and tried.

But I can't figure out how to get Elodie to choose to kill herself off.

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(Dead link removed)

hanako

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#114 by hanako - Feb 21 2015

It's not a new option, it's a change to one that has been there from the beginning, making her automatically choose the bad outcome if she's depressed enough. At least it should be. What have you been trying?

Ariel Schnee

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#115 by Ariel Schnee - Feb 21 2015

hanako:
It's not a new option, it's a change to one that has been there from the beginning, making her automatically choose the bad outcome if she's depressed enough. At least it should be. What have you been trying?

Putting her into bad situations and waiting for an "end it all" option to pop up and that would allow her to die.

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(Dead link removed)

hanako

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#116 by hanako - Feb 21 2015

You might want to check the patch notes.

As I said, there are NO new options along those lines.

Darksilverhawk

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#117 by Darksilverhawk - Feb 21 2015

Just tested it- even a completely depressed Elodie didn't sacrifice herself; I still got the option. I did know about Charlotte, but that's the only thing I could think might affect it.

cyberdelika

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#118 by cyberdelika - Feb 21 2015

I am loving all these new moments to unlock!!! ^_^ When I died for the first time from a new path [from not having enough meditation skills], the magic from when I first started playing the game [and sought the Death Seeker achievement] just flooded through me~

I think I've done the majority of the new options except "You can get engaged to one man, dump him for another, dump him to marry a third, then divorce the third and get back together with the second"
I want to ask if anyone has had luck with this and willing to share some hints/tips? I know this is a testing thread, so if there is somewhere else I should ask please tell me.

I wouldn't know where to start.. probably because I usually just want to get the lovely roses from Brin. ;) But apparently you can now marry Selene?? Sign me up..

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hanako

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#119 by hanako - Feb 21 2015

No, sorry, Selene only marries her usual girlfriend, not Elodie.

You can facilitate the marriage.

cyberdelika

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#120 by cyberdelika - Feb 21 2015

hanako:
No, sorry, Selene only marries her usual girlfriend, not Elodie. You can facilitate the marriage.

Oh, okay, thanks! I wouldn't want to break up such a beautiful couple anyways. Besides, you already gave the option to cause a divorce for for a different couple

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Mir

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#121 by Mir - Feb 21 2015

Oops, sorry. Meant to say it's satisfying to marry Selene and Julianna in more than one route. ^^'

Re: Getting engaged to three men in one run... If you've gotten the "broken off an engagement" achievement before in older versions, start there. From then on, it involves the following: low noble approval, having the resources the know you're not well-liked by a particular noble, Sabine, and something you'd need to recruit soldiers with your printing press back in week 15. Godspeed.

Speaking of that plot path, does anything come out of that threatening letter that you get if you dump guy #1 for guy #3 by bypassing guy #2? I did it and nothing happened. Should I toggle around with a few things related to guy #1 or is he/the people who want his engagement to happen just content to scare Elodie? I guess he wouldn't be as justified in acting like he does if you dump him for guy #2, since it wasn't so public this time...

Thank you both for the update. /o/

hanako

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#122 by hanako - Feb 22 2015

IIRC he's just sulking and that's the end of it, unless you invited him to the gala first. If you invite him to the gala with you and then dump him for Thaddeus, there should be an epilogue.

Mir

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#123 by Mir - Feb 22 2015

...I did not. I'll give that a shot. Thank you!

Edit: Well, Joslyn did warn me that inviting him would be seen as a statement. :p

cyberdelika

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#124 by cyberdelika - Feb 22 2015

Thanks so much!! <333 I'm really excited to give it a go. *happy dance*

LOL I especially loved that you said godspeed XD

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Gamer

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#125 by Gamer - Feb 22 2015

Can anyone please tell me how I can romance and dump multiple guys in the game?

I also think I discovered a bug. I invited my fiance Talarist to the gala. When Banion asked me to dance and I was about to accept, Talarist interjected. Nevertheless, in the next scene it appears that Banion and I are engaged and I publicly broke off my engagement to Talarist.

cyberdelika

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#126 by cyberdelika - Feb 22 2015

Gamer:
Can anyone please tell me how I can romance and dump multiple guys in the game?

Scroll up

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cyberdelika

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#127 by cyberdelika - Feb 22 2015

So, in multiple playthroughs (playing on Steam in alpha mode), Julianna repeats herself here:
Elodie, Crown Princess: You, me, and Selene. Will that be enough?
Julianna, Duchess of Ursul: It might. Are you willing to take the risk? Such power has its price.
Menu: [Yes] [No]
Player chose: No
Elodie, Crown Princess: No. I think I'd rather rely on the soldiers to protect me.
Julianna, Duchess of Ursul: So be it.
Julianna, Duchess of Ursul: So be it.

Really minuscule thing, but just something I noticed.

Is anyone else getting a topless Elodie during Coronation?
http://i58.tinypic.com/wgq9mg.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/14abtiw.jpg

Usually that just happened when I would use cheats (sorry)... so I guess it must have something to do with not unlocking the Royal Demeanor outfit earlier in the game.

Ye olde log: http://pastebin.com/mYRuRXvt

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Gamer

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#128 by Gamer - Feb 22 2015

I will need more specific instructions on the 'romancing and dumping multiple guys' part. I heard you can dump Talarist for Thaddeus but I have yet to get the option to marry him when I start a civil war. So far, the best I can do is dump Talarist for Banion.

Mir

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#129 by Mir - Feb 22 2015

You have to speak with Arisse before the civil war happens. There's one other event in which Elodie would be there at the same time as she is.

hanako

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#130 by hanako - Feb 22 2015

cyberdelika:
Really minuscule thing, but just something I noticed.

Is anyone else getting a topless Elodie during Coronation?
http://i58.tinypic.com/wgq9mg.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/14abtiw.jpg

Usually that just happened when I would use cheats (sorry)... so I guess it must have something to do with not unlocking the Royal Demeanor outfit earlier in the game.

That's intentional, because I wanted to show her without the crown during that scene until we get to the point where she's Properly And Officially Queen.

Darksilverhawk

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#131 by Darksilverhawk - Feb 23 2015

I don't know if this is intentional or a bug but I just saw someone do this in a livestream- If you put off having the conversation with Julianna that unlocks the treasury until after the ball, Julianna will never volunteer to get the crystal for you.

cyberdelika

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#132 by cyberdelika - Feb 23 2015

hanako:
cyberdelika:
Really minuscule thing, but just something I noticed.

Is anyone else getting a topless Elodie during Coronation?
http://i58.tinypic.com/wgq9mg.jpg
http://i62.tinypic.com/14abtiw.jpg

Usually that just happened when I would use cheats (sorry)... so I guess it must have something to do with not unlocking the Royal Demeanor outfit earlier in the game.
That's intentional, because I wanted to show her without the crown during that scene until we get to the point where she's Properly And Officially Queen.

Oh. That makes sense. Thanks:)

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cyberdelika

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#133 by cyberdelika - Feb 23 2015

Gamer:
I will need more specific instructions on the 'romancing and dumping multiple guys' part. I heard you can dump Talarist for Thaddeus but I have yet to get the option to marry him when I start a civil war. So far, the best I can do is dump Talarist for Banion.

Have you gotten it yet? I haven't.. I think I'll wait for a log/walkthrough. don't judge meeeee

I loved when Elodie is all grossed out by kissing Adair, hehe. AND IT WAS SO AWESOME TO SEE THE JOURNAL EPILOGUE.

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Measured

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#134 by Measured - Feb 24 2015

Great beta content. I didn't even realize it'd been updated so soon until I saw it on tumblr. Thanks for all the hard work!

One thing I noted as I was piecing through the translation parts which Hanako mentioned earlier, (over here: http://spikycaterpillar.com/long_live_the_queen/translation/ ) and there's one variant I cannot seem to trigger despite going around several times and even toggling with the debug to try and trigger it. I've been going through all the paths of the Gala, seeing what would change with Talarist there. This particular part involves pissing off Banion enough, and getting Talarist to keep you from the duel.

+ #Speaker: elodie_angry
+ The loyalty of Novans does not deserve your scorn.
+ #Speaker: elodie_willful
+ After all, you are not a foreigner. I have already conquered you.
+ #Narration
+ No one quite seems to know what to say to that.

With a later scene with Talarist reacting to this.
#[If we told him we had conquered him]
+ #Talarist
+ I was very interested to hear your views on the subject of 'conquest'.

I figured it had to be a cruelty level, and I got the meter as high as I could, executing and imprisoning everyone I could along the way, and working to unlock the hunting option as soon as possible to ensure that I could hunt every weekend. It said it was an intelligence variant, but I raised every stat to try and get it. Also, Elodie is in a Willful mood at the time, if it matters.

Also, my noble approval score was fairly low, because I ignored all of the speaking and royal demeanor options in order to ensure I got the vote of no confidence options. I don't know if that affects it or not. According to the translation, it does affect a latter conversation, with Talarist warning you to be careful.

Was there something specific else that I had to get for those variants?

hanako

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#135 by hanako - Feb 24 2015

There's several skill checks if you try to speak up when Talarist and Banion are sniping at each other, and slightly different results depending on which ones you passed and failed. To get that particular outcome, you need to fail the Internal Affairs check but pass the Foreign Intelligence check.

Mir

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#136 by Mir - Feb 24 2015

Gamer:
Can anyone please tell me how I can romance and dump multiple guys in the game?

I also think I discovered a bug. I invited my fiance Talarist to the gala. When Banion asked me to dance and I was about to accept, Talarist interjected. Nevertheless, in the next scene it appears that Banion and I are engaged and I publicly broke off my engagement to Talarist.

I just tried this, too (I originally just had a save file to see what would happen but never followed up) and same thing. Despite Talarist telling off Banion and no cuckoldry happening, Elodie is still engaged to Banion next week (and Talarist is still demanding tribute in week 19).

Edit: Redacted.

hanako

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#137 by hanako - Feb 24 2015

You guys really need to stop trying to guess what causes things based on their placement in the script, because that is highly unlikely to be meaningful in the way that you think it is. Things that might happen at similar times, if totally different sets of conditions are met beforehand, do not necessarily have the slightest connection to each other.

Make guesses based on things you've actually seen happen, not text that you've never seen and have no idea what triggers, or if it's even in the game at all!

... I am now tempted to start throwing random lines that never actually happen into the script just to confuse decompilers.

Mir

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#138 by Mir - Feb 24 2015

I'm sorry.
(I did manage to get the message, triggered by something completely different.)

hanako

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#139 by hanako - Feb 24 2015

.... aww, that I'm sorry coupled with the sad Elodie face...

*offers consolation chocolates*

skydragonwings

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#140 by skydragonwings - Feb 24 2015

Is it intentional that if you're engaged to Talarist but choose to dance with someone else at the gala anyway (meaning you didn't invite him), you don't get the option to pick your dance partner by name? I have high enough stats to pass the test for it according to the wiki, but nothing about an Intrigue/Court Manners test is popping up at all before it takes me to the list with vague descriptions of possible dance partners. The Court Manners test to wonder if it's a good idea to dance with someone else is still there, and I'm passing it.

hanako

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#141 by hanako - Feb 24 2015

It's neither intentional nor unintentional - it was originally overlooked, but I've known about it for a while and been uncertain whether I should change it. Being already engaged could disrupt the mental calculations, after all.

cyberdelika

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#142 by cyberdelika - Feb 24 2015

hanako:
You guys really need to stop trying to guess what causes things based on their placement in the script, because that is highly unlikely to be meaningful in the way that you think it is....Make guesses based on things you've actually seen happen, not text that you've never seen and have no idea what triggers, or if it's even in the game at all!

Duly noted!

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#143 by skydragonwings - Feb 24 2015

hanako:
It's neither intentional nor unintentional - it was originally overlooked, but I've known about it for a while and been uncertain whether I should change it. Being already engaged could disrupt the mental calculations, after all.

Fair enough. I might vote in favor of changing it, but that's probably mostly because I enjoy making the world around me bow to my will with my mastery of intrigue. The distracting engagement explanation works well too, though, so I could see it either way.

skydragonwings

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#144 by skydragonwings - Feb 25 2015

Are there conditions you need to fulfill to have the opportunity to suggest a compromise and get Arisse as your advisor? I'm in the civil war (without a hostage) and the diplomat is showing up to negotiate on Week 30, but my only options are to surrender or refuse. The wiki doesn't seem to say that you need to do anything to get the "suggest compromise" option. Am I failing to trigger something, or was this changed for the beta? Is asking at the party the only way to get Arisse to become your advisor now?

Edit: okay, I went back and attended the party first, but Arisse always managed not to talk to me. Is that an indication that noble approval isn't low enough? Because civil war is still breaking out the next week.

The events leading up to the war were basically like this: I was engaged to Talarist, then I broke it off with him for Banion (passing the Court Manners checks to do it deliberately). I failed basically every other skill check at the gala so the nobles didn't like me. I sent Adair to his grandfather. I had Sabine investigate Arisse, and she said Arisse was mostly upset about losing Adair and didn't necessarily have a lot of support. I'm guessing that's normally the indication that she's just sending out feelers and there won't be a war? But then when Adair died, I appointed a random commoner as his successor, which I would think is what upset people enough to trigger the civil war anyway. But Arisse still wouldn't talk to me at the party. And I still don't have the compromise option when war breaks out.

hanako

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#145 by hanako - Feb 25 2015

If you're already engaged, Arisse's representative doesn't bring up the subject of marrying Thaddeus, and therefore 'suggest compromise' isn't an option at that particular negotiation.

You can't talk to her at the party because things weren't bad enough for you to write her that letter beforehand (there would not have been a civil war if Adair hadn't died). Of course, even if you had written her a letter beforehand, getting Adair killed would cause her to retract her willingness to talk to you.

skydragonwings

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#146 by skydragonwings - Feb 25 2015

Ah, got it. (And got the three-engagements-and-a-breakup thing.)

I was having trouble thinking of more ways to get noble approval down without giving Adair to his grandfather. I never realized before that sending Adair to Armand was that upsetting to the nobles in general.

Also, I'm starting to wish I could make Arisse my advisor in week 1, based on her assistance with investigating the chocolates and the Briony incident (and therefore the potential Kevan incident). Although, now that I've said that, I'd kind of like to see Arisse's reaction to Kevan attempting to murder her pawn right in front of her.

Spiky Caterpillar

1.3.14.159 up

#147 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 26 2015

Player-visible changes: New checklist items added; menu option now reads 'Mention betrothal to Talarist' rather than 'Mention betrothal to Sedna'.

(Behind the scenes, there's a joystick tweak because my deadzone debugging caused the Ren'Py launcher to crash in the event anyone breathed near an analogue joystick, but that wouldn't have affected LLtQ players because LLtQ already had a separate fix for that.)

Hopefully this is the final final patch for a while! Check it for fire.

11tw

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#148 by 11tw - Feb 26 2015

The Beta update is amazing!
My favorite bits so far;
kiss with Adair is adorable
summoning Julianna to help with the demonic madman is brilliant; first time the game has shocked me in a while!

11tw

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#149 by 11tw - Feb 26 2015

As a side note; I still have no idea how to achieve the following:
- the dumping two guys, going on to a 3rd, going back to the 2nd events...
- deliberately choosing Arisse as your advisor
- poisoning a chicken
- imprisoned your uncle (which uncle? Lucille's husband, or your father's brother?)

Measured

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#150 by Measured - Feb 26 2015

There's several skill checks if you try to speak up when Talarist and Banion are sniping at each other, and slightly different results depending on which ones you passed and failed. To get that particular outcome, you need to fail the Internal Affairs check but pass the Foreign Intelligence check.

Ah, thanks! I didn't think it would refer to failing the stat check, so I just assumed that it sounded like cruel!Elodie and I needed a higher cruelty stat to get it.

Gamer

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#151 by Gamer - Feb 28 2015

So I challenged Banion to a duel at the gala. But my fiance Talarist was there and stopped me. Yet in the next scene, Banion is dead. I would like the option to duel Banion anyway as I find it much more satisfying to kill him myself. I also think it would be funny if Talarist realizes then that I am nuts.

11tw

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#152 by 11tw - Feb 28 2015

how the hell do you make things bad enough that you can send Arisse that letter? Whenever I get to Briony's party she always avoids talking to me. I've made my noble approval hit the lowest I can (surrendered provence, failed checks at party, tried to trip Syrin etc.) but I never get the option to write to her. Why?

Mir

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#153 by Mir - Feb 28 2015

11tw:
how the hell do you make things bad enough that you can send Arisse that letter? Whenever I get to Briony's party she always avoids talking to me. I've made my noble approval hit the lowest I can (surrendered provence, failed checks at party, tried to trip Syrin etc.) but I never get the option to write to her. Why?

What did you assign your agents to do on week 18? Do you have another agent in your service? (And if that doesn't get things rolling, who did you send Adair to? Putting him with someone who can protect him but would still make Arisse unhappy should be a sure-fire way to at least get that plot thread started.)

hanako

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#154 by hanako - Feb 28 2015

Gamer:
So I challenged Banion to a duel at the gala. But my fiance Talarist was there and stopped me. Yet in the next scene, Banion is dead. I would like the option to duel Banion anyway as I find it much more satisfying to kill him myself. I also think it would be funny if Talarist realizes then that I am nuts.

Which exact version are you in, just to check?

Having Talarist around is going to stop you from dueling, sorry.

Don't bring Talarist if you don't want him stepping on your options.

11tw

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#155 by 11tw - Feb 28 2015

ahah! Finally got Arisse to help me! If you are having any trouble, my problem was I kept getting engaged to people, plus I didn't realise I needed high public speaking (somewhere below 50) to send the letter in the first place.
Plus the ending where Thaddeus has a negative reaction to your friendship with Togami is amazingly specific...
like, for that to happen you have to combine a very unlikely set of events. Just shows how devoted and amazing the development team are!

Spiky Caterpillar

1.3.15 changelog

#156 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 28 2015

* If Talarist stops you from duelling with Banion, the game no longer assumes that your survival means you killed Banion in the duel.
* A candidate workaround for a crash that occurs playing using a buggy translation file when you unlock a new outfit.
* Several dossier and title twiddles to accomodate various possible outcomes of your confrontation with Banion. (These affect Brin, Banion, Bennett, and Lieke). The dossier changes are the part of the patch most likely to have random bugs, since they're complex and tangly.

cyberdelika

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#157 by cyberdelika - Feb 28 2015

Having so much fun!!

I thought this might be useful, though? Not sure if it's just a fluke or something.

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11tw

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#158 by 11tw - Feb 28 2015

I get that too! When you click on it, it gives a message saying that the image can't be found.

Spiky Caterpillar

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#159 by Spiky Caterpillar - Feb 28 2015

Making Charlotte a Lumen should now have the correct graphic as of 1.3.16.

Gamer

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#160 by Gamer - Mar 1 2015

I just updated, so Banion is alive now after I challenge him to a duel with Talarist there. But I can still engaged to Banion at the gala even when Talarist stops me... On another note, I'm loving the new info on characters like Talarist and Bennett. Is there any chance we can see new content on Armand? I love that he seems awkward around Elodie!

hanako

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#161 by hanako - Mar 1 2015

For multiple reasons, it's highly unlikely that we'll ever see much of Armand.

But I can still engaged to Banion at the gala even when Talarist stops me...

What exactly are you doing, and where is it saying you're engaged to Banion?

When I attempt to dance with Banion and Talarist stops me, the next week still shows Elodie engaged to Talarist, not Banion.

Spiky Caterpillar

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#162 by Spiky Caterpillar - Mar 1 2015

Gamer:
I just updated, so Banion is alive now after I challenge him to a duel with Talarist there. But I can still engaged to Banion at the gala even when Talarist stops me...

The actual engagement to Banion is set when his present arrives, so if you'd gotten that far before the fix went in then your save will have you engaged to Banion. Replaying from the gala should set the flags correctly.

We can't reproduce that bug in the current version - if you were playing from before Banion's present arrives in a supposedly-fixed version, uploading a log to http://spikycaterpillar.com/savegame-upload.html may help us figure out what's going on.

Measured

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#163 by Measured - Mar 1 2015

I found a minor typo while playing Adair's route.

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11tw

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#164 by 11tw - Mar 1 2015

Just noticed a missing option when you confront Lucille about her magic... it's a small detail, but she asks you not to tell anyone about her powers, and you have the option to accuse her of being powerful, keep her secret, or take her on as a lumen minister. Surely another viable option would be to tell everyone at the ball without making her your minister?
Obviously this is such a minor detail, and I can't imagine what benefit it would bring, but as a cruel Elodie option it would be quite nice. What effect it would have on your noble status I have literally no idea (would it go down? Because I could imagine thinking she was being needlessly cruel to her aunt).
Also, it has just occurred to me that there should be an option to not go to the Ball... obviously this would have a hugely negative effect on both your public and noble relations, but seeing as some people need to achieve those for certain playthroughs it might be a nice side option.

Finally, now that Togami produces a Lumen crystal when you kill him, wouldn't it be cool to have a 'Collect Three Spare Lumen Crystals' achievement?

Ariel Schnee

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#165 by Ariel Schnee - Mar 1 2015

How do I make Lotte a Lumen?

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11tw

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#166 by 11tw - Mar 1 2015

Neko Hibiki:
How do I make Lotte a Lumen?

You need to get a Lumen Minister your aunt and then you need to defeat Togami in a duel and claim his crystal. Lotte should become a Lumen in the epilogue

hanako

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#167 by hanako - Mar 1 2015

Measured:
I found a minor typo while playing Adair's route.

It would help if you said what the typo you found is. There may be one there but if there is, it's something our eyes have slipped over repeatedly, so I still can't see it.

Darksilverhawk

Re: NEW BETA UPDATE!!! Details within! - 1.3 - January 2015

#168 by Darksilverhawk - Mar 1 2015

Looks like the first sentence- "when they were both adults."

hanako

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#169 by hanako - Mar 1 2015

Ah - not a typo exactly but me being weird with linguistics and using 'adult' as an adjective. It is intentional. Whether or not it's a good idea, I'll think about, but it was intended that way.

11tw

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#170 by 11tw - Mar 1 2015

I get that the tips you are giving to reach the new content are vague (because Beta testing) but I just have no idea to start with arresting your uncle, even after reading all of the previous hints. Do you need Arisse as your mentor? Do you need the musician as your spy? Do you need to be attacked in the festival?
Ugh, there are just too many options and paths to choose from, and I have no idea where to start!

cyberdelika

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#171 by cyberdelika - Mar 2 2015

11tw:
I get that the tips you are giving to reach the new content are vague (because Beta testing) but I just have no idea to start with arresting your uncle, even after reading all of the previous hints. Do you need Arisse as your mentor? Do you need the musician as your spy? Do you need to be attacked in the festival?
Ugh, there are just too many options and paths to choose from, and I have no idea where to start!

I will play today and send you a walkthrough or just some tips.

feel free to add me on steam
GRABINER FOREVER <3

Ariel Schnee

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#172 by Ariel Schnee - Mar 2 2015

Just realized something.

We don't see much of Armand, Joslyn's brother any.

He doesn't even have a picture and no speaking lines which is odd because he's one of her uncles and should have more.

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skydragonwings

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#173 by skydragonwings - Mar 2 2015

He has a picture and at least one line of dialogue in the vote of no confidence, doesn't he?

lilychick

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#174 by lilychick - Mar 2 2015

I apologize if there is a better place to ask this, but I downloaded LLTQ in the Valentine's Humble Bundle, and I used the direct Windows download (I didn't have Steam on my computer at the time). Is there any way that I can turn on the beta, or should I just start over in Steam?

Ariel Schnee

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#175 by Ariel Schnee - Mar 3 2015

lilychick:
I apologize if there is a better place to ask this, but I downloaded LLTQ in the Valentine's Humble Bundle, and I used the direct Windows download (I didn't have Steam on my computer at the time). Is there any way that I can turn on the beta, or should I just start over in Steam?

Click 'Preferences', 'Check For Updates', Enable Beta Versions and Update

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11tw

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#176 by 11tw - Mar 3 2015

lilychick:
I apologize if there is a better place to ask this, but I downloaded LLTQ in the Valentine's Humble Bundle, and I used the direct Windows download (I didn't have Steam on my computer at the time). Is there any way that I can turn on the beta, or should I just start over in Steam?

ah, you have such a wonderous journey ahead of you!
If you don't immediately say 'awwwwww!' when you see Adair, you are officially a monster.

lilychick

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#177 by lilychick - Mar 6 2015

Neko Hibiki:
lilychick:
I apologize if there is a better place to ask this, but I downloaded LLTQ in the Valentine's Humble Bundle, and I used the direct Windows download (I didn't have Steam on my computer at the time). Is there any way that I can turn on the beta, or should I just start over in Steam?
Click 'Preferences', 'Check For Updates', Enable Beta Versions and Update

Thanks for the reply! I don't seem to have a Check For Updates button though? Unless I'm mIssing it somehow.

Hanako Games