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The Psychology of Damien [spoilers]

#1 by Oki - Sep 12 2012

Oh no it's that girl again

So Damien is crazy. He's cuckoo for coacoa puffs. He is apart of a demon plan and has fucked it up by accidentally loving you. Fun times. Now what interests me most is the DAMN PSYCHOLOGY OF THIS CHARACTER okay you get it now there are spoilers I warned you.

Friends, denizens, I have a question for all of you. Now this applies to everyone, even people who hate Damien with a fiery passion. I want your opinion...where does Damien's brain even go from here? Hell he doesn't even seem to know. The way I see it there are a few possibilities.

He becomes a really jealous boyfriend and tries to hurt your guy friends (okay this could happen in any of these)

He becomes a failure as a demon ruler thanks to not killing you, goes insane and kills you. ROMANTIC RIGHT

He somehow maintains his sanity, as much as a demon can, and becomes a slightly obsessive boyfriend from a distance.

Someone finds out about you and THEY KIDNAP YOU AND WOW THIS JUST BECAME A FANFICTION

He becomes A SUPER POWERFUL DEMON KING WITH NO WEAKNESSES and his one weakness is his mysterious secret lover no one can find ~oh plot twists~

I have an over active imagination.

Basically, what do you think? Do you think Damien is any of the above, or some other kind of special/weird/evil/fluffy thing? This character keeps me up at night (no he doesn't) he makes me have deep intellectual thought (he makes me think of Katy Perry songs) ....I'm pretty obsessive.

#2 by cae - Sep 12 2012

Damien... yeah.

First of all, wow, yeah he's got some problems like for reaaallzzz...

Second, considering that he won't be allowed back into the school legitimately.

And that all of your friends hate him. (I'm sure they would in WH too.)

It's probably safe to say that unless Damien has a complete turn around and somehow it's publicised to everyone that ever knew him, that Damien turns into the secret relationship.
He already threw away his 'royalty', but honestly with Damien's compulsive lying skills... I didn't REALLY believe him anyway. ANYTHING Damien said fell into the 'it's a lie unless proven otherwise' category. I might have even said Damien was lying to me, if he said his own skin was blue.
So obviously, HorsePC would have to learn to read into every thing he says. And as Potsdam advised, stay several steps ahead of him.
If, for instance, we could learn to do that. I assume that any relationship with Damien would be successful.

BUT, of course. The learning process.



Anyway, I guess I like to think of it as HorsePC graduates school and has to move Damien in because he sleeps in a new cardboard box every week. She gets a job, and he lazes around and protects the house from stray dogs and demons and attempts to find another way to usurp his rightful position as king or whatever while being a total leech.

... Cute, right? LOL

#3 by thezooqueen - Sep 12 2012

spoiler alert
I could never get into Damien. I tried, but he was just too much of an a$$hole at all the wrong times. And once that was revealed I could not get into that character anymore. I have too many a$$hats in my life already I am not going after one in a game no matter how cute he is hehe. I have had no interest in going after him any time I have played the game since.

#4 by ark99k - Sep 15 2012

Well honestly, when I was on his path I fell in love with him. I not saying I was happy when he attempted to kill me but I knew something like that would happen when he gave me the brush off. It may be because I am into the 'guy who set out kill you but then fell in love you' thing. Anyway remember how that one time if you had plans with someone else when Damien pulled you into the classroom he would demand that you cancel and if you didn't cancel he would leave you forever. That makes me think would be a jealous boyfriend type. Now he would probably go to the otherworld and assemble an army or something while you are school. Oh maybe he would pretend to be someone else, enrolled at the school and well yeah. I am over thinking things again. (Sorry for the long post.)

#5 by Oki - Sep 18 2012

That's how he gets you fjhdljskdfd.

Personally I always thought Damien not killing you just meant he couldn't become someone EVERYONE had to acknowledge. It meant he, as he stated himself, still had the beginnings but he'll have to work his ass of for power. And he will. Guys crazy. But I personally think he'll end up being an important and powerful leader who's only secret is his human girlfriend who he keeps trying to convince to give in to eviiiiiiiil. Or something. XD

#6 by kasztan_filut - Sep 29 2012

Even if he doesn't succeed in gaining back his position of power, he's still a powerful demon with possible connections (since we don't know if he has loyal 'friends' in the other world - realm. He may no longer be a legitimate 'heir' but that doesn't mean he can't claw his way back up once he (and maybe your character) gain a stable footing in the world, rank wise.
He doesn't like hurting you because he loves your character, but that doesn't mean he isn't going to take advantage of some other person (possibly with your help).
I'd help him...

#7 by Moonyart - Oct 4 2012

I liked the damien path and was a bit dissapointed that there was no real happy ending for the two lovers in the story. For me, I would have loved to see a choise where the girl could choose to stay with damien, give in to the darkness, find another victim so Damien can take his throne and then, when adult, rule together with him as powerfull evil royalty. Would that not be loads of fun

#8 by Dalis918 - Oct 10 2012

going through his story I would say part of the reason (if you're successful) that he actually does fall for you is the fact that you're (more or less) truly an innocent and good person, so I don't really see him wanting to be with you or being willing to let you actually find somebody else to suck dry or whatever he planned to do with your soul.

#9 by Mlamlah - Oct 29 2012

Actually, there is one way to pretty successfully start on the dark path with Damien almost entirely.
If you continue to see Damien, your friends will find out and eventually confront you, at the exam and once beforehand. They will ask you to promise not to speak to him, if you agree to them, and see him anyway some pretty interesting stuff ensues.

#10 by biscuit - Nov 2 2012

He is definitely psycho crazy.

BUT, I actually picked 'complicated love interest' because there's a bit more going on to him than that. Manipulative as all get out, yes, but if you 'successfully' romance him as a complete innocent, I think he actually shows signs of wanting to change. (Not changing because he actually 'knows' it's better, but because he knows it would make his Sue happy.)

Anyways, I admit that even though I'm a sucker for a good redemption story, Damien is a little too crazy for me. I guess part of it's because I felt so betrayed (!!!) after falling for him the first time I played I can't quite dissociate myself from it.

#11 by Oki - Nov 4 2012

Yeah I agree with the concept that he knows changing will make Sue happy, but I think we all know that ain't gonna last. He's got evil tendencies, and I believe he'll show that in the course of time. I think he would probably grow jealous of any boy hanging around her and become possessive. Oh love with crazy demons.

#12 by 13ventrm - Nov 25 2012

Hm, that's a tricky question. I suppose I like Damien's path in a guilty pleasure kind of way, because while I think the whole "will raze kingdoms to the ground for you" thing is somewhat romantic, the whole "tried to kill you" thing makes the romance unable to be enjoyed in any way but a guilty one. For me at least.

#13 by Oki - Dec 17 2012

For me it's like a dark, dark, dark fantasy element to it.

You opt to stay with Damien. He is posessive and controlling, but loves you in his own messed up way. If guys ever hit on you he probably hurts them. Badly. And you're in a constant struggle to NOT let people know you're dating the guy who tried to kill you.

....And then you get pregnant and GASP what will you do it's obviously going to be a Cambrien hybrid AND PEOPLE WILL KNOW and Damin will try to make you his EVIL QUEEN but you're like BUT NO THATS NOT COOL I JUST GRADUATED LIKE 3 YEARS AGO MAN MY FRIENDS TRUST ME I CANT THROW EVERYTHING AWAY

Okay now I'm just quoting my crazy ideas. Never leave me alone in a car with a cd bad fanfiction ideas happen.

#15 by Oki - Dec 18 2012

I don't think of Damien like that.

I think that most people who are narcissistic don't inevitably know only loneliness and sorrow. If being a bad person was a terrible lonely experience nobody would ever be evil or lonely. I don't think that Hanako would write anyone who was so base as to be that predictable.

I don't think Damien can love anyone 'conventionally'. I think his idea of love has been warped and when he genuinely fell in love it well, tore him apart from the inside out as we saw. His psychology is this to me: He wants power and to be respected and powerful. To toy with those around him. Yet he has conflicting emotions because right beside those things he wants you.

#16 by LogicalDash - Apr 4 2013

Damien needs your soul in order to become a demon king.

He tried to do that by eating you. He failed. Partly because Potsdam interrupted but also sort of because he was enjoying the moment too much to get the ritual done quickly. (You find this out by casting Spirit Echoes on the gym afterward.)

Now that you know his ritual requires you to DIE, he figures you won't try it again, and anyway, there's a much more FUN way to get your soul: marry you. Or at least, get you to accompany him to his demon kingdom, still alive and conscious, with your soul still inside your body.

He owns everything in that kingdom, as kings often do.* Now that you're in it, he has your soul. Mission accomplished.

He'll probably keep you alive! You're much more useful that way, and in any case he DOES love you, even as he's using you. For a demon--and for certain humans--that's not a contradiction. Using your loved ones to get what you want is a logical thing to do, and if he can keep you alive and happy, so much the better.

So yeah: he's a psycho jealous stalker demon king, who is forbidden to you for good reason, who is pretty cool in a complicated way, and he demands you for his bride, alive or dead.

A well-rounded character. Good show.

*OK, he's not the king YET, but I don't imagine it would be difficult to get his father to give him the new girl.

#17 by biscuit - Apr 4 2013

...I can't believe I never cast that spell in the gym afterwards.

NOW I NEED TO REPLAY THIS GAME JUST FOR THAT.

#18 by Crissa - Apr 9 2013

It's fairly realistic that sometimes, there's no happy ending.

You don't usually see that in a dating game, tho.

-Crissa

#19 by Elosva - May 16 2013

i loved the damien path for a few simple reasons,

1) it was so obvious that you couldn't see it comeing, i mean everyone tryied to warn you and the signs were all there

2) it was unexpextedly twistedly romantic, evil no doubt, and in real life if a friend of mine got cought up with a guy like that id slap her right upside the head and tell her to wake the f*** up but still twistedly romantic in its own right

3) it gave in to no story conventions, i mean he out right tells you hes not going to change, hes going to still be an evil a**hole down the line


now heres how i see this going, damien's going to disapear for a while (maybe showing up now and again to romance his girl, and shell out some vengence if need be)

the lonelyness and feelings of betrayal at her friends will start to corupt her

her friends will keep trying to help her in there own way... she wont let them,

shell make "friends"in snake hall... none of them will be good for her

eventuly damien will come to power and come for her, shell jump right into his arms and become the (semi)evil demon queen



that is all you may comence screaming at me for saying this now now

#20 by Oki - May 19 2013

Logical, that's incorrect. Damien wasn't too busy enjoying himself, it's clear upon the use of empathy and spirit echoes that he legitimately could not bring himself to do it. If you play as a girl who doesn't give him a chance and let him have your soul, he'll just kill you, end of story.

By not killing you, he loses. He's not a king of demons, he is instead an upstart who has a shot- but not the legacy he was meant to be. Not with servants and apprentices abound. Damien is not that man and by loving you he 'failed'. But he loves you, just cast empathy, he really does. In his own, really messed up way.

Hanako wrote this route very clearly: Damien is a twisted SOB who YOU DO ROMANCE. But it is not like you think it will be. He falls in love with you. But you may just learn he isn't the type you WANT to love you. I think even in the 'ideal' ring ending where you keep it a secret he is going to be an impulsive stalker boyfriend FOREVER. Just keep this in mind, he gave up everything to let you live. He stopped the flow, and escaped without Potsdam even touching him. He isn't lying. You'd be dead if he didn't love you. AND BOY IS HE GONNA FLAUNT THAT OVER YOU

"I gave up everything for you!"

"You mean you didn't murder me!"

"Exactly! You can't leave me! I gave it all up for you! Don't you dare let another man touch you!"

Daaamiiien ladies and gentlemen.

#21 by Rozelliee - May 20 2013

Oki:

Daaamiiien ladies and gentlemen.

Haha basically. Thank you Damien for repeatedly lying to, manipulating, hurting and trying to murder my character. But WAIT! I should forgive you because you didn't kill her- you only screwed with her life and her head and basically wrecked everything. So I guess you're a pretty nice guy!

In short, Damien's a warped, disillusioned abusive boyfriend.

But damn if Hanako doesn't write his route well enough that I want to see more of it in the next game.

#22 by Oki - May 22 2013

Rozelliee:

Oki:

Daaamiiien ladies and gentlemen.

Haha basically. Thank you Damien for repeatedly lying to, manipulating, hurting and trying to murder my character. But WAIT! I should forgive you because you didn't kill her- you only screwed with her life and her head and basically wrecked everything. So I guess you're a pretty nice guy!

In short, Damien's a warped, disillusioned abusive boyfriend.

But damn if Hanako doesn't write his route well enough that I want to see more of it in the next game.

I know! That's just it! This guy is so fucked up! I should hate him! But the way you take it, the clear "This guy is not healthy, no one thinks he's healthy" and how the only healthy route, if you can call it that, is to basically shove him away and refuse to publicly acknowledge him while still loving him. The whole point is like, shit, man, guys- he's so evil. WHY DID YOU ALL PUSH ME INTO THIS RELATIONSHIP BY NOT UNDERSTANDING MY NAIVETE AND NEED FOR INDEPENDENCE IN A WORLD I DID NOT UNDERSTAND

And what's even more fun is he knows he did wrong. He knows he's an awful awful guy and gives you many chances to back off. But he KNOWS in his crazy heart you love him, even if you don't! Because he has never been in love and once he realizes he is, he concludes you MUST be as well. If it's a love that could fuck up his life he concludes it must do the same to you.

I'm pretty sure MC's who successfully romance Damien think back to Angela and go "Wow I wish you had been right and I wasn't his true love! Hahahaha I'm gonna go cry now."